The emperor has no clothes

The ways this is different:

You can have it but be asymptomatic. So there are "carriers" running around. Hard to kill it off if carriers are constantly passing it to other carriers all of whom remain asymptomatic.

20% of the symptomatic cases require hospitalization. That seems very high.

It's not seasonal.

One patient's dog tested low-positive. That opens up a whole lot of questions right there.
 
CAJUNLAWYER said:
Maybe I'm missing something but I think this Corona Virus thing is WAYYYYYYYY overblown. It seems like it is nothing more than a mild strain of flu that it is less contagious than measles or mumps and the mortality is equal or less than the average flu that goes around every year. The numbers infected are shall we say less than impressive......I mean this ain't something that two days after you catch it you bleed out through your eyes and die. From what I've read, I'd rather catch Corona than some of the more virulent strains of flu
One good thing however is that since China shut down everythjng poloution has niticably improved :rolleyes:
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Have you ever wondered about the kid you went to school with who always used to say "Why do I need to study biology, math, science, economics, history or social studies? I'll never use them in real life."? Well, that's how we ended up with flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, science deniers, and sovereign citizens.

Diminishing the facts about of ANY contagious disease is foolhardy. We shouldn't be having these conversations about personal health and safety just because this time it is the corona virus - we should be having them about all contagious diseases in general, but somehow we never do. THIS IS THE EXACT REASON WHY THE DEATH RATE FOR THE SEASONAL FLU RUNS BETWEEN 5,000 - 60,000 PER YEAR IN THE US ALONE AND WE VIRTUALLY IGNORE IT.
EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR.

Should we panic about this? No.
Should we deal with this in a reasonable and logical manner? Oh hells yes.
 
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vytoland said:
the media loves to escalate drama....and the gullible eat it up like candy.....
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You are correct about the public being gullible. I recall a few
years back when Most of the media were saying Iraq had
weapons of mass destruction and large East coast cities were
looking down the gun barrel, so to speak. Never found 1 of
those weapons. I tried to tell anyone who would listen that
those photos of lunch trucks were not mobile biological
warfare labs, because if they were, all those workers walking
in and out with no protection would be dead, I was laughed
at for those statements.
Haven't you noticed how many in our Govt. are anti
science and this is the year 2020. Some of you talk about
people being sheep. Well the sheep are those that blindly
follow these types. Or maybe lemmings.
 
I think you're wrong and I'm losing a lot of money on a trip to Paris that I'm not taking on Monday because of it. ​I know that everyone says COVID-19 is not serious, but the Italians have been really forthcoming with their numbers and this report troubles me. (Remember, the Italian outbreak started because of two Chinese visitors.) The Italians have locked down the entire area and tested everybody. Here's what the NYT reports today about their numbers:
Lombardy officials said on Friday that 531 people had contracted the virus but fewer than half, 235, required hospitalization. Of those, 85 required intensive care. On Friday officials said quarantines would be extended for another week to contain the virus.
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Italy's Quarantine Leaves Locked-Down Towns Feeling 'Sacrificed' - The New York Times
So 44% of those infected in Italy required hospitalization, and 16% required intensive care. One in six required intensive care. That's NOT what the CDC has been saying, and it's NOTHING like what the Chinese are reporting.

​And, we're starting to see the "community spread" - the OR elementary school employee had symptoms for nine days before diagnosis yesterday.

Oregon coronavirus case shuts Lake Oswego elementary school - oregonlive.com
So, as virulent as it appears to be, it's everywhere, "containment" assertions notwithstanding.

My trip cancellation is due to my asking the questions : what are the governments going to do about it in the next couple weeks (I don't really want to be quarantined in a FEMA camp in AL - their chile is probably not very good), how do you best avoid getting it in the first place (both for your own health and the health of those to whom you might give it) and where do you want to be if you get it? Maybe I'm led wrong by my research, but I'm staying right here. :)
 
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Puller said:
Your synopsis of the time to get a vaccine developed is not indeed a fact. The president is correct that a potential vaccine could very well be a near offing. There have been several reports that a lab in Israel was already working on a vaccine, quite by coincidence. Seems for political reasons the main stream media is not pursuing these reports.

So, although they are not yet prepared to provide a timeline of when a vaccine will be ready, it is not a fact that it will be a minimum of 8 to 9 months.
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Oddly enough, when Trump had his televised press conference the other day and claimed that a vaccine was at hand, the head of the CDC said that it was at least a year and possibly 18 months away, and we should not expect anything before next season. And that was DURING THE SAME PRESS CONFERENCE.

The very next day, our brand-new corona virus czar Mike Pence ordered that all messaging from the CDC and the NIH go through HIS OFFICE before being released to the press.
 
Regardless of what you currently think about the issue, keep this in mind:

For the last several years, we've had it pretty good.

At least since 2008, any "crisis" we've experienced in this country has largely been political theater, and that includes especially the last few years.

In response to those, you can pick the media that confirm what you believe already, wallow in outrage at the other side along with your favorite commentators and social media, and then break for lunch. None of it really mattered.

This thing is different. We don't know yet how it will play out, but it won't be the least bit impressed by what you believe or don't believe about it.

It is what it is.

Of course there is a media circus. But that doesn't mean the facts are wrong. Most of this is science.

Many media have four screaming headlines about coronavirus where one would suffice. Another certain segment of the media seems engaged in an effort to follow the party line given from above and downplay the risks, nothing to see here folks, all under control, and, as I just heard, any economic problems are the Fed's fault.

Since at this point there isn't much we can do other than wash our hands and not get sneezed at, I'd stick to that and keep an open mind otherwise. Aggressive disbelief in any danger, especially if mainly politically motivated, would seem dysfunctional at this time.
 
Erich said:
I think you're wrong and I'm losing a lot of money on a trip to Paris that I'm not taking on Monday because of it. ​I know that everyone says COVID-19 is not serious, but the Italians have been really forthcoming with their numbers and this report troubles me. (Remember, the Italian outbreak started because of two Chinese visitors.) The Italians have locked down the entire area and tested everybody. Here's what the NYT reports today about their numbers:
Italy's Quarantine Leaves Locked-Down Towns Feeling 'Sacrificed' - The New York Times
So 44% of those infected in Italy required hospitalization, and 16% required intensive care. One in six required intensive care. That's NOT what the CDC has been saying, and it's NOTHING like what the Chinese are reporting.

​And, we're starting to see the "community spread" - the OR elementary school employee had symptoms for nine days before diagnosis yesterday.

Oregon coronavirus case shuts Lake Oswego elementary school - oregonlive.com
So, as virulent as it appears to be, it's everywhere, "containment" assertions notwithstanding.

My trip cancellation is due to my asking the questions : what are the governments going to do about it in the next couple weeks (I don't really want to be quarantined in a FEMA camp in AL - their chile is probably not very good), how do you best avoid getting it in the first place (both for your own health and the health of those to whom you might give it) and where do you want to be if you get it? Maybe I'm led wrong by my research, but I'm staying right here. :)
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As usual, the voice of calm reason. You need to come around more often Erich. :)

I have a Paris trip scheduled for Sept.....waiting.
 
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In the words of Sherlock Holmes,"It is a capital mistake to theorize in advance of the facts".

There are various theories abound. Here is my opinion, probably worth what you paid for it: This stain of coronavirus has been in general population for some time. It is only now, "we" are testing for it. There are likey many more cases dismissed, easily, as the flu or related.

Should it be an emergency concern, tell-tale signs would have already presented themselves.

Never understimate the media's need to be relevant. Used to be fact-based and empirical; however, now it is opinion. You may choose which dogma you ascribe to. I will also state that a serious contagion could or is likely to happen, but, it will not be like we are witness to now. Regretfully, in this apocalyptic scenario, it will be days. I suspect--with no evidence to back up the claim--that my opinion is that this particular strand of corona has been on the world stage for many months. Does not mean it is not sad for those affected. My statement would be to keep it in perspective, relative to the more afflicted scenarios--the general 'flu' being one.
 
We've been following this fairly closely.

We flew from Japan to Oregon in early February, taking more precautions than usual, as was the case with pretty much everyone at the airport in Japan and on the plane with us. Arriving in Seattle, everyone in the airport seemed a lot more relaxed, things were basically normal, although some immigration and customs officials were wearing masks.

We'd planned to fly back to Japan for a couple of months at the end of March. We now think we'll postpone until we see what's what.

Like Erich notes in post 47, we'd prefer not to run the risk of being quarantined somewhere, either Japan or the US, or being prevented from returning to the US. Both seem real possibilities for international travelers until things settle down.

There are differences between prudence and panic, informing and scaremongering.

I do wish left, right, and middle would leave off politicizing this.
 
As you all know, I have three school kids under roof. Five days a week they come home from a petri dish. My heart is so damaged and weak that I am at serious risk from any virus/flu.

I don't dwell on it or succumb to fear. I wash my hands a lot, gargle with beer and follow the kids around the house with Lysol.

Ruthie's nursing home is at DEFCON1.
 
Farmer17 said:
I'm headed to Cancun for some scuba diving in a few weeks, I hope the virus doesn't reach there the tickets aren't fully refundable.
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I read on a European forum that a number of companies have canceled all travel, even when the tickets were non-refundable. There will be a lot of bean counters on top of tall buildings in the US if that becomes the norm. They HATE paying for refundable tickets, but throw wobblies if a trip goes South and the ticket money goes with it.
 
I think I need a mask, I got to go by the grocery store tomorrow morning and it being Saturday and all. I might get in and out pretty quick.

Pardon me, hack cough sniffle, must be something in the air.
 
Out of John Hopkins

Coronavirus Disease 2019 vs. the Flu | Johns Hopkins Medicine

Of interest , I was at my PCP last week for my "wellness" exam. Doc asked if I had a flu shot.
Affirmative.
He said they missed the mark this season, the shot is ineffective.
12- 61 thousand people die in the US on average every year from the flu, hundreds of thousands die worldwide.
Ponder that.
 
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