THE 12 GAUGE

[scoobysnacker]

I have a Shockwave with the Opsol adapter, and picked up a case of the 2" Challenger slugs. The recoil is minimal, to the point that I have no difficulty at all using the front bead to sight with.

I saw a video on how to do this and it works fine- you extend the hand on the foregrip out, to where the arm is straight. This leaves the pistol grip about a foot in front of your face, and you look right down the barrel. With the mini slugs, I get about 2 inches of movement, which causes my body to roll back just a bit. Instead of pumping normally, I then shove my pistol hand forward while keeping the other arm straight. I can shoot rapidly and accurately, and this has definitely become far more than just a range toy.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

Been shooting Shotguns since I was a pretty young kid.
As I have posted, the first gun I ever bought was a 20 Ga Sears Single Barrel.
Still don’t now why I got a 20, as the other Family owned guns that my Bro and I shot were all 12s.
Actually there was also a 10Ga Double.
And there was often conflict on who owned which shells!

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Singe shot, side by side, pump, yup, great guns indeed.

I need to take pictures of a couple of others for y'all, too.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

1-870 20", 1-500 18.5", 1-500 24" slug gun, 1-97 18" (1904) & 1-97 28" (1954) All 12 gauge. These keep my 19 other shotguns company.

About 15 years ago, my wife bolted upright in the middle of the night and yelled to me from a distance of 2 feet, "I want my shotgun!" That just send chills down your spine- a scared woman with a scatter gun! Her's is a 20 gauge Beretta 391 Sporting Clays 28". There may be better defense shotguns, but that's the gun she knows and trusts (and hits with!)

Ivan

 

[Old Corp]

Grew up with a 870 12 ga. and it was the first gun I ever reloaded for.
On starting with the PD, they had an assortment of riot shotguns at the time. Mine was a 20" High Standard and was a great shotgun.
Others available were either Winchester M1200 and a bit later the Made-in-Japan S&W M916, which we had problems with.

Eventually settled on the 870 Police Riot with 18" barrel as the standard issue. I added a +2 mag extension on mine and no one seemed to object.

When we had semi-annual quals with our shotguns, one course we shot steel plates on a rack after releasing the electronically-controlled overhead rack in the car and exiting with the 870.

You could really spot the people who didn't grow up shooting pump shotguns - some you could time with a calendar.
They acted amazed that I could quickly wipe out the plates on the rack, like it was some sort of feat. It was easy.

Currently keep house with two dissimilar pump short-shotguns - a Winchester Police Riot M97 12 ga., 20", c.1935.
The other - a Remington 870 Marine Magnum that'll be around long after I'm gone.

Found the M97 is kind of a freak - it'll stack basic 1 oz. Foster slugs at 75-100 yards like it's a rifle - don't really know why.

 

[gwpercle]

AR-15 ... NO

12 gauge with a buttstock ... YES

Inside the house I may be old .... but #4 buckshot loads level up the playing field and give me a bit of a fighting chance .
Gary

 

[tndrfttom]

How about an old High Standard K-1200, Riot 18-7 RS? I believe Steve McQueen used a similar one in "The Get Away". This one has no SN that I can find so I guess its pre-1968.

 

[delcrossv]

That's a pretty rad shotgun, pops. But this is the shotgun all the cool kids are using these days!

Well, us cool kids who are over 30 and grew up watching 80's action films, anyway...

Based on my 21 y.o.'s purchase history, I have to agree with you. That or an autoloader (he's got a Saiga too).

Personally I like my SxS, but the kid's Shockwave has its charms.

 

[Dump1567]

I have a Shockwave with the Opsol adapter, and picked up a case of the 2" Challenger slugs. The recoil is minimal, to the point that I have no difficulty at all using the front bead to sight with.

I saw a video on how to do this and it works fine- you extend the hand on the foregrip out, to where the arm is straight. This leaves the pistol grip about a foot in front of your face, and you look right down the barrel. With the mini slugs, I get about 2 inches of movement, which causes my body to roll back just a bit. Instead of pumping normally, I then shove my pistol hand forward while keeping the other arm straight. I can shoot rapidly and accurately, and this has definitely become far more than just a range toy.

That's the technique I employ. Works great. It seems that those that don't use that technique don't have favorable results. And usually use the term "range toy" or promptly sell them.

I wonder what the US Marshall's did for training with these? They obviously felt these served a purpose, or they won't have issued them.

A couple more I've got.

870 Police

Classic 80's Mossberg 500

 

[roo_ster]

I have 2x Remington 870s, both have been set up for "social" work in the past (only one at the moment). Also have a Rem 1100 that has been pressed into "social" duties.

My Ithaca M37 DSPS is my own personal go-to HD shotgun.

Love all three models for different reasons. All can put their favorite slug into a 9" paper plate at 100 yards from field positions. All group their favored (00 or 000) buck load into a reasonable group at 15 yards.

I even set one up for the wife. Set up properly, with the right ammo and hardware, a bitty woman can and will shoot 12ga buck COM at 15 yards with Fed FltCont low recoil 00 buck.

 

[MOONDAWG]

One of my favorites is a SBS Remington Model-1100.

The 14" barrel has been threaded to accept Rem-Choke tubes which makes it a good "Utility" shotgun for ATV boonie rides, hunting or self defense.

 

[eb07]

My dad's old patrol shotgun from.the 60's


High standard riot with an action so smooth I can rack it one handed.


Now guards my home

 

[Frank46]

Some years back at a local gun show one of the dealers was selling 870 police shotguns. Covered in rust mine cost me $185 with taxes out the door. Cleaned off all the rust from the barrel,receiver and mag tube plus the operating rod. Surprisingly no pitting due to the rust. Took the wood sanded it,put a coat of sanding sealer as the first coat.roughed it up and about 4 coats of try oil. Wouldn't believe it was the same shotgun. Couple months later same dealer and another 870. did everything to the second one that I did to the first.Both have the mag extensions and plan on getting the saddle for 6 more rounds. Funny thing,one has the 18" barrel the other has the 32" barrel. Took both to a local range and asked the RO if they had any place to shoot them as I just bought them. And they did just fine. Not bad for two cheap shotguns. Frank

 

[gwpercle]

Based on my 21 y.o.'s purchase history, I have to agree with you. That or an autoloader (he's got a Saiga too).

Personally I like my SxS, but the kid's Shockwave has its charms.

Hard to shoot .
A stray dog was attacking people walking on my street .
Policeman arrived , he removed his buttless , pistol stocked 12 ga. from car . Pointed out the dog who was trotting down the street towards the policeman , he held his fire untill the dog was about 6 feet away...point blank , fired and Missed , dog stopped and turned, he pumped and fired again ...point blank and missed again , pumps and dog starts to run..he's 10 feet away... policeman fires ...and misses again...policeman watches the dog dissapear behind a house...he calls animal control .
I talk to him...he doesn't like the "new toy" hard to aim and hard to rack...he wants his "old school" shotgun , with a buttstock back , new one looks cool and tactical and such but is just too hard to shoot accurately .
I'm old guy ...I'll stick with old school !
Gary

 

[eb07]

Hard to shoot .
A stray dog was attacking people walking on my street .
Policeman arrived , he removed his buttless , pistol stocked 12 ga. from car . Pointed out the dog who was trotting down the street towards the policeman , he held his fire untill the dog was about 6 feet away...point blank , fired and Missed , dog stopped and turned, he pumped and fired again ...point blank and missed again , pumps and dog starts to run..he's 10 feet away... policeman fires ...and misses again...policeman watches the dog dissapear behind a house...he calls animal control .
I talk to him...he doesn't like the "new toy" hard to aim and hard to rack...he wants his "old school" shotgun , with a buttstock back , new one looks cool and tactical and such but is just too hard to shoot accurately .
I'm old guy ...I'll stick with old school !
Gary

That has zero to do with the firearm and everything to do with training. I own one and my experience is the exact opposite of that officer.

 

[ServiceGun]

Ah, riotguns, my weakness.
I've got a bunch including Winchester, Remington, Ithaca, High Standard, Stevens, S&W, and Benelli

 

[typetwelve]

To me, a shotgun is like a hammer...super useful, not something I necessarily "enjoy".

I have a now discontinued FN TPS, which is essentially a tweeked Win 1300. I don't have a pic of mine, but this is it here:

The thing is just brutal with that stock, so I changed it out years ago to something a bit more comfortable.

I'll admit that I haven't taken it out in a very long time, so I decided to shoot the thing a few weeks back. The sheer amount of destruction that this thing can cause is just massive.

I've long found it ironic that anti-gun people love to attack the AR when a different device that is wildly destructive exists elsewhere. 7+1 of 00 Buck is a massive amount of power and in such a useful and controllable tool. Before I left the range, I quick cycled 2 rounds of it from a good 10 yds. 18x .330" pellets on target in less than 2 seconds is just amazing to see....and people whine about .223...

 

[shocker]

I've long found it ironic that anti-gun people love to attack the AR when a different device that is wildly destructive exists elsewhere. ..

Shhh. Only say that under The Cone of Silence.

 

[typetwelve]

Shhh. Only say that under The Cone of Silence.

Yeah...I don't bring it up often. I figured it would be ok here. In my real life...and even on other sites, I refuse to debate with people how destructive a firearm is or is not, its a fool's endeavor.

 

[shocker]

Yeah...I don't bring it up often. I figured it would be ok here. In my real life...and even on other sites, I refuse to debate with people how destructive a firearm is or is not, its a fool's endeavor.

Be careful, "they" will be coming after your twin gauge, AR-14, and 100 rounds.