The Ahmaud Arbery Shooting

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I'd look for them to plead.
They should pray they get the opportunity. Even if they get the offer, it shouldn't be anything less than whatever the max prison time is for manslaughter for the kid and accessory to manslaughter for the father. Even that might not be enough to stave off the riots. I think the DA would be wise to take this one all the way.
 
If the offense is not a felony it must be committed or at least attempted in the presence of the security guard before a citizen's arrest can be made.

Given that, was the crime committed in the presence of the individual who attempted the citizens arrest? And what crime was committed? I'm not sure there was one.

These guys weren't rent a cops protecting anyone's property anyway, so your shoplifting analogy here is pretty weak.

Wrong on almost everything you said, ozone. Security guards are citizens and are not sworn in. LEOs are sworn to an oath and are responsible to that oath.

It's not just citizens arrest where the crime has to happen in the presence or immediate knowledge, this also applies to LEOs as well. In GA, as I said earlier, LEOs and citizens have the same powers of arrest, with some exceptions (warrants, ordinances). If the crime doesn't happen where the cop cab see it or in his immediate presence a cop has to gather probable cause and get a warrant. You would be better served to read the law before commenting on a subject where you're obviously out of your depth.
 
He walked into an unfinished house under construction. Walked. Not in a truck. No backpack.

If he’s a thief, he’s a horrible one.

I patrol an area with a lot of new build houses. Lot of people walk in and through to see their house, to look at shortcuts builders are using during the build while deciding if they want to buy, oh, and we also use them for K9 training and we will go and hide in them for the dog to find us (little more finished than that so the dogs don’t get hurt)

Never chased anyone down with a shotgun I saw in any of those houses. And I actually SAW them in the house.
 
If you were an innocent afraid that someone was going to shoot you, would you run 60 feet toward the armed individual and try and take their weapon ? I don’t think that makes any sense.

When then facts comes in and are confirmed this will be the 2020 election season’s equivalent of Michael Brown the gentle Giant and St. Travon, I strongly suspect.
 
This video, any video really, that shows anything Aubrey did prior to the shooting is not germane to the case. Why? Because the shooters had no knowledge of it. Even if Aubrey had murdered someone just prior to being shot, the shooters didn't know that and were acting on a hunch, not knowledge.

Therefore, the shoot is unjustifiable. That makes it murder and accessory to murder.

Do you know for a fact that the individual whose camera filmed the decedent entering the home under construction, wasn't in contact with either of the defendants via his or her phone prior to the incident?
 
The report I read indicates the former Cop saw Arbery (?) run from the home under construction and notified the Police.
 
So? He was a jogger, of course he ran from the house. I don't see how the ex-cop/shooter had time to dial 911, get his partner and their shotguns, pile into the truck, and pursue the victim who was running/jogging away from him.
 
So? He was a jogger, of course he ran from the house. I don't see how the ex-cop/shooter had time to dial 911, get his partner and their shotguns, pile into the truck, and pursue the victim who was running/jogging away from him.

I can't vouch for the timeline and don't know when the defendants first observed the decedent jogging in the neighborhood that day.

But I can imagine that if they had seen him prior to his entering the structure, and if he spent roughly five minutes within, they probably would have enough time to set their plan in motion while communicating with the police...

This is merely conjecture in an attempt to come up with a scenario that fits your question.

I am not in any way, shape or form trying to provide justification for the actions taken...which I feel is a cluster of the highest magnitude.
 
In the video I saw, the alleged Jogger was running toward the two armed men in the truck, they were not chasing the Jogger. And if the report that I have read is true the former police officer called 911 and reported the alleged Jogger leaving the house under construction that was very close to the former officer’s home.

A question I have for anyone close to the area where this occurred is how rural is this area and how many LEOs are there covering the area.

As in the Travon Martin case, 911 was called before the “Murder”, which stretches credulity. Do murders generally call 911 before the act ?
 
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Watch the video. He wasn't looking for a pee break, he went past a port-a-jon before entering the house in construction. Was he casing the joint? Who knows, but it's really not all that relevant since the father/son team were not following him to keep him in sight for the cops. They had their truck in the road ahead of him. He jogged toward the truck & the driver jumped out w/ a shotgun. The jogger changed course to avoid him but the scuffle ensued. An ambush... that's about impossible to claim self-defense in court even if you know the county prosecutor, cops, etc. Why was the 2nd guy in the bed of the truck instead of the cab? Tactically not clever but irrelevant, just like whether the jogger had jogger watch or other such toys. I hunt but don't always wear camo to go rabbit hunting in our pasture.
What matters is they ambushed & confronted him then in the scuffle they caused shot him. Probably manslaughter, not premeditated murder, but they're not innocent.
 
It appears they pulled out a shotgun and held the man at gunpoint, at which point Arbery attempted to disarm the man attempting the citizen’s arrest.

At this time, I believe the guy with the shotgun was forced to fire on the suspect because he was afraid he would be disarmed and shot. I do not think it would have ended this way with anybody dead if Arbery had complied.

I do not think these two should have been prowling for someone just based on security camera footage, but DO NOT be so quick to demonize fellow gun owners. These two men were misguided, sure, but were attempting to be patriots defending their homesteads from a burglar.

It was not handled well, but I DO NOT think these men deserve life, as no malicious intent was involved. He was forced to shoot once the disarm attempt occurred, leading to this outcome.
This is exactly why you don't bring a gun to a fist fight. Its frickng George Zimmerman all over again. No they were not patriots but dumb azz hicks playing tough guys but they brought a gun to, a fist fight & expected what???
You roll up on me & jump out pointing a gun, bad things are likely to happen. I doubt I throw up my hands but reach for my own ccw. Play stupid games win stupid prizes so yeah, I hope they get 25 to life. Idiots.
 
If you were an innocent afraid that someone was going to shoot you, would you run 60 feet toward the armed individual and try and take their weapon ? I don’t think that makes any sense.

When then facts comes in and are confirmed this will be the 2020 election season’s equivalent of Michael Brown the gentle Giant and St. Travon, I strongly suspect.

No I suspect closer to the Zimmerman case. Two dumb azz guys playing cop.
 
The following is purported to be from the local DA, that did not prosecute the case. Some say he showed favoritism to the former LEO and is a corrupt DA. Who knows, I don’t.

I say try the case, determine the facts under Georgia Law and follow the Law and not emotion or bias.


OFFICE OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY
WAYCROSS JUDICIAL CIRCUIT

George E. Barnhill District Attorney
306 Albany Avenue Waycross ,Georgia 31501
(912) 287-4395 FAX (912) 287-4399

Captain Tom Jump
Glynn County Police Department
Investigation Division
157 Public Safety Blvd.
Brunswick , GA 31525

Email: tjump@ glynncounty-ga.gov

Ref : Glynn County, The Shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery ,
Feb 23rd, 2020

Dear Captain Jump :

My office received the Arbery autopsy report [dated 4/1/2020 yesterday and have reviewed it yesterday and this morning. We were waiting on this important evidentiary article before finalizing our opinions.

However, since we were initially requested to handle the case the victims mother has clearly expressed she wants myself and my office off the case. She sees a conflict in that my son works in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office where Greg McMichael retired sometime ago. She believes there are kinships between the parties [there are not and has made other unfounded allegations of bias [es]. As such, I believe it is better for my office to step out and am going to recuse myself and the Assistants working for me from handling the case. I am contacting the Georgia Attorney General Office and seeking their assistance in finding another District Attorney in the State to handle the further evaluation for prosecution this case. That is, to determine whether there is sufficient evidence on which to make a Grand Jury presentation or not.

Given the Governor’ s current shelter in place order and Justice Meltons Judicial Emergency Order; I can not venture a guess as to when they will move on this request, and once another is found; when that District Attorney will have the staff available to review this case file. I hope for all involved it will move along as quickly as possible.

After talking by telephone with you yesterday, I appreciate there is immediate pressure on your department as to the issue of Arrest”. Since I have already given you an initial opinion the day after the shooting, I feel I can still comment on this limited issue.

First,
I am the current elected District Attorney for the Waycross Circuit, I have worked as a criminal prosecutor for some 36 years. As an Assistant District Attorney in Waycross and Brunswick, as Chief Assistant in Waycross for 20 years and served as the District Attorney the last 5 years; I have been actively involved in over 100 murder cases and assisted other prosecutors with at least 100 more. I have no idea how many Aggravated Assault cases involving gunshots and wounds of all types; Plus I have attended countless schools, classes and seminars on criminal prosecution and criminal acts and evidence. Myself and one of my Senior Trial Attorneys have reviewed the evidence extensively and concur on all points.

Second,
As to the case at hand: It is my professional belief the autopsy confirms what we had already viewed as shown in the video tape, with the photographs & from the witness statements taken immediately at the scene. The autopsy supports the initial opinion we gave you on February 24th, 2020 at the briefing room in the Glynn County Police Department after reviewing the evidence you had at that time. We do not see grounds for an arrest of any of the three parties.

Third,
It appears Travis McMichael,Greg McMichael, and Bryan William were following, in pursuit burglary suspect, with solid first hand probable cause, in their neighborhood,and asking/tellinghim to stop. It appears their intent was to stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived. Under Georgia Law this is perfectly legal.

OCGA 17-4-60 “A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

Fourth,
It clearly appears Travis McMichael and Greg McMichael had firearms being carried in an open fashion. The investigation shows neither of them to be convicted felons or under felony supervision, they were in a motor vehicle owned by Travis McMichael. Under Georgia Law this is legal open carry.

OCGA 16- 11 - 126
“a) Any person who is not prohibited by law from possessing a handgun or long gun may have or carry on his or her person a weapon or long gun on his or her property or inside his home, motor vehicle, or place of business without a valid weapons carry license.
(b) Any person who is not prohibited by law from possessing a handgun or long gun may have or carry on his person a long gun without a valid weapons carry license, provided that if the longgun is loaded, it shall only be carried in an open and fully exposed manner.”

Fifth,
The video made by William Bryan clearly shows the shooting in realtime. From said video it appears Ahmaud Arbery was running along the right side of the McMichael truck then abruptly turns 90 degrees to the left and attacks Travis McMichael who was standing at the front left corner of the truck. A brief skirmish ensues in which it appear Arbery strikes McMichael and appears to grab the shotgun and pull it from McMichael The shot is through Arberys right hand palm which is consistent with him grabbing and pulling the shotgun at the barrel tip, the 2nd and 3rd wounds are consistent with the struggle for the shotgun as depicted in the video, the angle of the 2nd shot with the rear of the buttstock being pushed away and down from the fight are also consistent with the upward angle of blood plume shown in the video and that McMichael was attempting to push the gun away from Arbery while Arbery was pulling it toward himself. The 3rd shot too appears to be in a struggle over the gun. The angle of the shots and the video show this was from the beginning or almost immediately became — a fight over the shotgun . Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law , McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself. Just as importantly, while we know McMichael had his finger on the trigger, we do not know who caused the firings. Arbery would only had to pull the shotgun approximately 1/16th to 1/8th of one inch to fire weapon himself and in the height of an altercation this is entirely possible. Arberys mental health records & prior convictions help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man.

OCGA 16-3-21 Use of Force in Defense, once confronted with a deadly force situation an individual is allowed to use deadly force to defend themselves or others OCGA 16-3-23.1 Georgia’ s No Duty to Retreat Law ,an individual is not required to back away from or submit to an attack; OCGA 16 -3-24 The use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to prevent trespass on or other tortious or criminal interference with real property other than a habitation or personal property is not justified unless the person using such force reasonably believes that it is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. OCGA 16-3-24.2 A person properly and legally defending themselves is immune from prosecution

For the above and foregoing reasons, it is our conclusion there is insufficient probable cause to issue arrest warrants at this time.

As to any further issues on whether to present this to a Glynn County Grand jury, that will have to wait for the next District Attorneys review. Please consider this an OPEN file until that decision is made and restrict the release ofany information under Georgia Open Records Act requests.

Sincerely
George E. Barnhill
District Attorney
Waycross Judicial Circuit
 
The following is purported to be from the local DA, that did not prosecute the case. Some say he showed favoritism to the former LEO and is a corrupt DA. Who knows, I don’t.

Waycross is about fifty miles (and several counties)
west of Glynn County.

The first thing the local DA did was recuse her office from
handling the case, due to the employment conflicts.
 
Interesting take by the original DA.

My thoughts.

Was the guy being in the neighborhood and going into a building under construction suspicious. Kind of, but hey, as somebody else said people do check out construction projects.

Just how much knowledge and what real basis did they have for believing him to be guilty of anything? Where did they get the description of burglar and what burglaries etc?

Did they have any knowledge of his criminal record? If not, his criminal record isn't going to help their defense one bit. Even a record doesn't constitute a reason to put a shotgun on somebody. Maybe if your serving a warrant on a known shooter. A know petty criminal. Hardly?

It appears that the older of the two had some prior connection with Arbery. Just whats that all about?

Being suspicious might get you stopped by a LEO. So might matching a description. Even a LEO isn't going to put a shotgun on you for being suspicious and checking out your ID.

How much did race have to do with it? Trust that everything even marginally racial the two may have said in the past is going to get a spot light.

Personally, I think they were over zealous idiots. Why not let the police handle it? Pointing a shotgun at a guy on the street
 
lawandorder, thanks for posting that video. It is much better video footage (and analysis) then I've previously seen. It looks like the decedent runs around the truck and immediately attacks McMichael. I agree with the analysis.
 
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