ColbyBruce
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Well, there is the video a friend of the accused shot. That man may face charges too. His girlfriend was on the news last night stating they were in danger, could not go home, and were living in her car.
The Ahmaud Arbery Shooting
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Well, there is the video a friend of the accused shot. That man may face charges too. His girlfriend was on the news last night stating they were in danger, could not go home, and were living in her car.
max503
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This. The guys are going to either get off, or get off lightly.
That said, the shooters broke a basic rule. "Never do with a gun what you wouldn't do without a gun."
- The shooters knew the victim very well, apparently.
- The victim caused mucho trouble in the past.
- No matter what happens, the shooters' lives are screwed. Even if they beat the rap.
I'm not a lawyer..., but I would think not. With a jury, all they have to do is put doubt into one juror's mind and the jury is hung. Once that happens, both sides have some amount of interest into negotiating a plea and avoiding another trial.
As the saying goes, "In the Halls of Justice, the only justice is in the halls."
Somewhat cynically, I'll observe that the family of the deceased wants vengange while the defendants are looking for mercy.
A late friend of mine was a lawyer for many years. He practiced in a lot of areas including prosecutor, defense, probate, and was even a judge for a day.
We discussed a lot of legal issues and he frequently said that the trial is over once the jury is picked. Which is why both sides put so much effort into picking the members of a jury.
I'll leave the minutiae of the facts of the case to the Perry Mason contingent, but these cases often take funny bounces.
I was involved in a homicide case back in the mid 1990s where the defendant insisted on representing himself. He was convicted and promptly appealed his conviction on the grounds of ineffective counsel! His conviction was overturned by the MA Supreme Judicial Court.
If I were one of the defendants here, I'd try to get Jose Baez interested in taking my case. He got acquittals in two high profile cases where there was this level of media attention and everyone thought the defendant guilty.
As the saying goes, "In the Halls of Justice, the only justice is in the halls."
Somewhat cynically, I'll observe that the family of the deceased wants vengange while the defendants are looking for mercy.
A late friend of mine was a lawyer for many years. He practiced in a lot of areas including prosecutor, defense, probate, and was even a judge for a day.
We discussed a lot of legal issues and he frequently said that the trial is over once the jury is picked. Which is why both sides put so much effort into picking the members of a jury.
I'll leave the minutiae of the facts of the case to the Perry Mason contingent, but these cases often take funny bounces.
I was involved in a homicide case back in the mid 1990s where the defendant insisted on representing himself. He was convicted and promptly appealed his conviction on the grounds of ineffective counsel! His conviction was overturned by the MA Supreme Judicial Court.
If I were one of the defendants here, I'd try to get Jose Baez interested in taking my case. He got acquittals in two high profile cases where there was this level of media attention and everyone thought the defendant guilty.
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When the headlines read "Black man shot..." I knew this was one of those manufactured events. I haven't even bothered to follow it.
ColbyBruce
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The death of a human being is hardly a “manufactured event”, regardless of skin color.
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The best thing to do. Still, I think some of us remember OJ's trial.
Where did I compare LEO to security gaurds.?
I think that's what I said. Again, I made no reference to SG's and LEO. Are you replying to someone else's post?
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ColbyBruce
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Just curious, how many involved in this thread would allow one or more non-LEO’s to declare a citizens arrest and forcibly detain you?
ColbyBruce
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“ What are the chances that my post gets deleted due simply to my opinion? 90%.”
Zero, if you haven’t over-stepped the various rules posted.
Zero, if you haven’t over-stepped the various rules posted.
fredj338
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I hope not because idiots like this should at least go to jail. Why is it that two good size white dudes need a gun to investigate a trespass? Dont take a gun to a fist fight, dont be a Zimmerman.
Two shotguns.
ColbyBruce
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Unless you are a tailor, first responder, or preacher standing in a Baptismal pool it is best to not lay hands on another person.
fredj338
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Exactly. Imagine you are out for a walk, go by a building under construction & walk thru an open gate to see what is going on. You are legally carrying your gun & dumb & dumber pull up In their truck & jump out with guns yelling at you. I doubt many of us would be throwing our hands up & surrender to any armed civi. Its why you just don't do this sort of stupid thing. My gun is to get me out of trouble, not deep into the poop. I think many that are supporting these two need some therapy & evaluation.
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He is correct.
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Based on their reported testimony, they didn't have prior knowledge. They said that they thought he looked like a robbery suspect in a prior case. I guess his entering the construction site could have been that prior case, but the implication was that it was from some time ago.
None of us know the real facts yet.
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I am appalled and surprised a bit...
...by some of the comments herein.
The victim ‘was somewhere he didn’t belong,’ the ASSAILANT ‘was forced to shoot,’ etc.
I have walked onto MANY construction sites to have a look. Many!
And with regard for the victim not being properly dressed/ equipped for running...that counts among the most ignorant comments ever read herein.
Be safe...be well.
PS: If I am ever in arms reach of a shotgun being unlawfully pointed at me you can bet on that shotgun soon being a non-factor in the events to follow... Fact.
...by some of the comments herein.
The victim ‘was somewhere he didn’t belong,’ the ASSAILANT ‘was forced to shoot,’ etc.
I have walked onto MANY construction sites to have a look. Many!
And with regard for the victim not being properly dressed/ equipped for running...that counts among the most ignorant comments ever read herein.
Be safe...be well.
PS: If I am ever in arms reach of a shotgun being unlawfully pointed at me you can bet on that shotgun soon being a non-factor in the events to follow... Fact.
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