A case of self defense or not (long) - Sadly update in Post #36.

While this is terribly tragic, he shouldn't have given up like that, he should have kept on fighting. He may have gone to prison, but at the very least he could have become a symbol of endurance who stood firm against injustice, regardless of the cost. Now he'll just be used as an example by cowards and charlatans in attempt to convince others to just lay down and take it, lest they end up like him. That's no way for a man to be remembered.
 
I'm really sad to hear this news. An American hero, multiple tours, and, in the end, I think it was chicken **** to call in a special prosecutor to avoid the heat. Unfortunately, our adversarial system of justice requires deep pockets. If he was in fact jumped from behind as the story reports, would be have been found guilty solely to avoid a riot? :(
 
You can see.....

Just in. Grand jury returned a manslaughter charge against Jake Gardner plus some lesser charges. The special prosecutor alluded that the tipping point for the manslaughter charge was partly due to Gardner’s prior social media postings and text messages showing intent (my paraphrase). Another charge, first degree assault, was related to Gardner firing a second warning shots.

You can see what 'warning shots' get you. That should be a definitive answer to all that ask, "Should I fire warning shots)
 
That's really terrible..

This just on the news a few minutes ago. Jake Gardner, the bar owner/defendant here, was supposed to turn himself in today on manslaughter charges from the grand jury. He committed suicide instead. He was defending himself, his father, and his property during a riot. Tragic.

Jake Gardner, accused of manslaughter for Scurlock’s death, has died by suicide

ETA - Press conference held by Mr. Gardner's attorney following his death. Long, but a strong condemnation of social media and the press for their lying and their rush to judgement.

Jake Gardner, man charged in Scurlock death, has died by suicide

ETAA - From the news conference, Gardner was a decorated Marine Vet with two combat tours in Iraq. 70% disability. Suffered from PTSD.

This is just wrong.
 
I was watching Fox News last night and I think it was Tucker talking about this very thing. What was posted on social media about his suicide was very disturbing. Evidently, pushing people to suicide is now a tactic. Very dangerous times in which we live.
 
I was watching Fox News last night and I think it was Tucker talking about this very thing. What was posted on social media about his suicide was very disturbing. Evidently, pushing people to suicide is now a tactic. Very dangerous times in which we live.

Here’s one of many sad parts to a really tragic situation.

In his bar, he had women customers complain about transgender men (dressed like women) using the women’s restroom. His solution was to add a unisex restroom. Female anatomy use the women’s restroom, male anatomy use the men’s restroom, don’t cares use the unisex restroom. You’d think that would accommodate everybody, right? Nope. For doing that he was branded on social media as a homophobic racist.
 
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It's just the times we are living in, folks. If a guy thinks he is a female German Shepherd, then by damn, he is one! I can only be glad that I'm almost 75 years old, and don't have too much more time to see my beloved country subjected to this Alice-in-wonderland liberal ****! I feel extremely sorry for my grandchildren to have to be subjected to this craziness.
 
It's just the times we are living in, folks. If a guy thinks he is a female German Shepherd, then by damn, he is one! I can only be glad that I'm almost 75 years old, and don't have too much more time to see my beloved country subjected to this Alice-in-wonderland liberal ****! I feel extremely sorry for my grandchildren to have to be subjected to this craziness.

My mother passed this year (not COVID-related) at age 96. You could have another 20 years if you take care of yourself. BTW, I'm not wild about these times either. My granddaughter, a Marine, is getting married to another Marine in California tomorrow, and we couldn't go due to my wife's health.
 
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I was watching Fox News last night and I think it was Tucker talking about this very thing. What was posted on social media about his suicide was very disturbing. Evidently, pushing people to suicide is now a tactic. Very dangerous times in which we live.
What a sad, lonely, pitiful life a person must live to care so deeply about garbage posted on social media.
 
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What a sad, lonely, pitiful life a person must live to care so deeply about garbage posted on social media.

Garbage posted on social media has meant the end of many a career, the cancellation of many a person’s social and economic well being, and the start of many a non peaceful protest. It’s a real concern, even when the information is a lie. An viral social media post misidentifying you as a child sex offender could be devastating personally, physically, financially and emotionally . . .
 
What a sad, lonely, pitiful life a person must live to care so deeply about garbage posted on social media.

According to his attorneys, because he had been branded nationally on social media as a homophobic racist killer (apparently none of which was true), he was concerned he was going be assassinated before he made it to trial. To the point he had hired a body guard to escort him. He had already lost his businesses and his home because of it.
 
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Poison is completely harmless if you do not ingest it.

Yep, but it's pretty rough if you're like the Russian guy in Germany or deadly if you're like the Russian guy in England and someone else forces it on you.

Same on social media if people are clamoring for your death and you're receiving multiple death threats each day. You don't know which wacko is going to show up at your door.
 
Too bad. I was looking forward to the eventual not guilty verdicts.
 
Social Media is a toxic hive of scum and villainy, hence why I stopped using it nearly a decade ago.

In my experience, folks who frequently use Social Media are miserable, intolerant, vindictive, easily offended charlatans who seemingly only use it to find more reasons to be offended and condemn others, all the while hypocritically preaching about love, equality, acceptance, and all manner of other virtues they evidently do not possess, nor will they ever be capable of aspiring to because they lack the capacity to master the single most crucial virtue of all, forgiveness.

That being said, I cannot comprehend why it is that so many folks, especially highly trained soldiers are so terrified by the empty threats made by cyber-bullies. Seriously, these people go around threatening folks from all around the world all day, everyday, and are pretty much always online, yet apparently the vast majority of people seem to be under the impression that these cyber-bullies are not only actually capable of making good on their unlimited daily threats, but that they can do so successfully without being wounded or caught in the process.
Such is a fear which defies all logic and is fuelled entirely by panic. These are losers who hang out on the internet all day long, bullying people, not Terminators nor Supernatural Slasher-Movie-esq Killers who can teleport directly behind you and kill you with impunity! Heck, I highly doubt that they even possess the necessary resources or know-how to organize an assassination for that matter.

I swear, I would weep with hysterics out of sheer sympathy for these poor folks who are so fearful of death or imprisonment that they would sooner take their own lives than go down fighting, accept I'm simultaneously so infuriated and disgusted by the irrationality of it all. I don't understand people at all and it seems I never will. Where has the fighting spirit of man gone?! Why are so many so content to surrender, to retreat, or to never even put up a fight at all? I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone or something, a realm of absolute chaos and disorder in which any semblance of logic has been cast aside.
 
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That being said, I cannot comprehend why it is that so many folks, especially highly trained soldiers are so terrified by the empty threats made by cyber-bullies.

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I swear, I would weep with hysterics out of sheer sympathy for these poor folks who are so fearful of death or imprisonment that they would sooner take their own lives than go down fighting, accept I'm simultaneously so infuriated and disgusted by the irrationality of it all.
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Your empathy knows no bounds :rolleyes:. Jake Gardner had two TBI's in Iraq with a bit PTDS thrown in as frosting on the cake. He may have left some of his "under severe stress" coping skills like you have on a dirt road back there in back Iraq.

Pretty sure you've mentioned this before. Where was it you served again?
 
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Social Media is a toxic hive of scum and villainy, hence why I stopped using it nearly a decade ago.

In my experience, folks who frequently use Social Media are miserable, intolerant, vindictive, easily offended charlatans who seemingly only use it to find more reasons to be offended and condemn others, all the while hypocritically preaching about love, equality, acceptance, and all manner of other virtues they evidently do not possess, nor will they ever be capable of aspiring to because they lack the capacity to master the single most crucial virtue of all, forgiveness.

I spend a lot of time on Twitter and Instagram. I take personal offense to your callous broad brushing.

Try to find someone with compassion and see if some will rub off on you.
 
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