WHILE SOME MAY APPLAUD THE TESLA'S MY OPINION IS NOW A BIT DIFFERENT!
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LVSteve
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That's an absolute deal killer for me in Vegas. Indeed, the latest Ford Escape suffers from a similar issue. Buddy said his legs were roasting on a test drive even with the visors deployed. The 2014 Cadillac SRX my wife used to own was similarly afflicted. Oh, and don't get me started on the stupidity of panoramic roofs that are all the rage right now.
No electric vehicle for me, as long as gasoline powered are available.
deadin
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To me an electric vehicle is something you drive around the golf course or run down to the supermarket in.
Nobody mentioned the best of both worlds.... Hybrid.
Mine gets 60 mpg +- has a 5-600 mile range and more than enough "zip" for me. Of course, Washington has started charging an extra $75 for plates because I don't use enough gas.....
Nobody mentioned the best of both worlds.... Hybrid.
Mine gets 60 mpg +- has a 5-600 mile range and more than enough "zip" for me. Of course, Washington has started charging an extra $75 for plates because I don't use enough gas.....
deadin
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I have a mobile unit in my Prius and have experienced no problems.
Ole Joe Clark
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Well.......
Any one that spends "well over 100k" on an automobile shouldn't complain about a $400 tire. Just my opinion.
Have a blessed day,
Leon
Any one that spends "well over 100k" on an automobile shouldn't complain about a $400 tire. Just my opinion.
Have a blessed day,
Leon
JJEH
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I wouldn't know. Not sure what this technology is capable of.
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GUNMIKE
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One thing. What about the brownouts on the west coast. More electricity usage means possibly more electric shortage. Or am I just confused?
LVSteve
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Before I rearranged the ground connections, setting my 2m radio to 45W output would stop the engine cold on a 1988 vintage fuel injected car. Sufficient RF energy will screw with a lot of electronic systems if the shielding and decoupling are not up to snuff.
The Last Standing Knight
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At this point of history, the electric vehicle is IMHO just a golf cart on steriods and little else. This industry is still in its "Model T" stage and is a long way from displacing the gasoline or diesel powered juggernaughts we've been accostumed to.
Power is good, but range is the requirement. Especially in a state like Texas were often the distances are long and desolate. To me, they are all pretty much "city cars" at this point.
There is a long way to go before the electric cars becomes more mainstream and less of an oddity and certainly not in our lifetime. The clincher to the electric vehicle in its success would be simple: a two-tier propulsion system consisting of two halves (so to speak) with two different batteries and a generator, all run by the vehicle itself with no outside charging. Example: You have two batteries. The car runs on one battery at full power for say 400 miles. When that battery runs low, it automatically switches to the second battery for another 400 miles after which the first battery has been recharged by the cars generator using the wheels for power. When the second battery runs low, another automatic switch to the first battery and so on.
Unlimited power and unlimited range from a vehicle that is pretty much self propelling.
The is the only way an electric vehicle would be a viable long term solution. We won't live to see this.
Power is good, but range is the requirement. Especially in a state like Texas were often the distances are long and desolate. To me, they are all pretty much "city cars" at this point.
There is a long way to go before the electric cars becomes more mainstream and less of an oddity and certainly not in our lifetime. The clincher to the electric vehicle in its success would be simple: a two-tier propulsion system consisting of two halves (so to speak) with two different batteries and a generator, all run by the vehicle itself with no outside charging. Example: You have two batteries. The car runs on one battery at full power for say 400 miles. When that battery runs low, it automatically switches to the second battery for another 400 miles after which the first battery has been recharged by the cars generator using the wheels for power. When the second battery runs low, another automatic switch to the first battery and so on.
Unlimited power and unlimited range from a vehicle that is pretty much self propelling.
The is the only way an electric vehicle would be a viable long term solution. We won't live to see this.
LVSteve
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Here is what I see. Even if battery technology improved tto the point that a normal capacity car could go 300 miles and recharge in say 15 minutes we still could not convert over to all electric in 25 years. Even if we kept coal fired generators. Right now we use all of the 3.9 Trillion kilowatts of electricity produced per year by all the coal fired power plants, combustion turbines, dams, solar, atomic and windmills and etc. A gallon of gas can produce 33.7kw. Last year we used 143 billion gallons. That would have produced about 4.7 Trillion kilowatts. So, to replace gasoline we would need to at least double our out put of electricity. No moree coal fired would ever be Oked. But, even if we start now and worked like dogs it wouldn't happen in 25 years. First, the EPA and all the environmental studies, then the steel production (this takes power) then the equipment (this takes fuel) and hey the concrete workers rebar busters, welders fabricators, erectors, bolt up guys, carpenters, electricians, etc. News flash the majority of people in these trades are already old and the college boys sneer at the work. Good luck training the kids now. Hey most high school grads can not even read a tape let alone do the simple math of subtracting the thickness of a 2x4 from the measurement before they make the cut. Good luck building enough (clean) power plants to double our capacity while keeping what we have now running. Oh and then there is the transmission line problems, towers, wire, transformers insulators and the same erectors welders and other craftsmen needed to put them up.
There is no "app" for any of the real work. It takes thinking brains, hard hands, hard hats, strong backs, work boots and gloves and a Getter Done attitude. Something this country has a serious shortage of.
Notice that I didn't include all the diesel we use yet? 47billion gallons per year. At 40KW per gallon, that would take another 1.8+Trillion KW per year to replace.
Carbon free "sounds good" But, I have a couple questions here in the back of the class, and the "teachers" can't see me waving my hand around in the air and everyone I ask them to doesn't want to hear about "numbers".
There is no "app" for any of the real work. It takes thinking brains, hard hands, hard hats, strong backs, work boots and gloves and a Getter Done attitude. Something this country has a serious shortage of.
Notice that I didn't include all the diesel we use yet? 47billion gallons per year. At 40KW per gallon, that would take another 1.8+Trillion KW per year to replace.
Carbon free "sounds good" But, I have a couple questions here in the back of the class, and the "teachers" can't see me waving my hand around in the air and everyone I ask them to doesn't want to hear about "numbers".
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Walter Rego
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I am a former Tesla employee. There are a lot of misconceptions out there about Tesla vehicles. For the most part, you just cannot compare the vehicles or the company to anything that have come before it.
The lack of a spare, as others have mentioned is not exclusive to Tesla. Tesla's aren't for everyone. But the technology is changing very rapidly and it won't be long before they offer a $25K car. Here is Elon Musk's plan in a nutshell:
You own a Tesla vehicle. It is insured with Tesla insurance. When you get home at night, your house will have a Tesla solar system and a Tesla HVAC system that is a whole new ballgame. You plug your car in when you pull into the garage. Your car may actually feed power from its batteries back into the grid or into your house's main electrical panel. In the middle of the night it will recharge. For free. From the solar electric system on your house. Your car will have 600 miles range and be able to charge from 20% to 80% in 15 minutes and there will be charging stations at many convenient locations. The batteries in your Tesla are good for a million miles. Who cares, no one is going to want to drive a car that long you say ? OK, how about a substantial trade in value (with much less depreciation than consumers are used to seeing) for your old Tesla for a new one, the old car is scrapped after the batteries are removed and repurposed in another application since they have so many useful charge/discharge cycles left.
These things may be a very common occurrence much sooner than you imagine.
Will I ever own one ? Probably not. I have a sell order set up when my Tesla shares reach a certain point. And I am going to buy a gas guzzling, hydrocarbon emitting, loud, stylish and impractical sports car.
The lack of a spare, as others have mentioned is not exclusive to Tesla. Tesla's aren't for everyone. But the technology is changing very rapidly and it won't be long before they offer a $25K car. Here is Elon Musk's plan in a nutshell:
You own a Tesla vehicle. It is insured with Tesla insurance. When you get home at night, your house will have a Tesla solar system and a Tesla HVAC system that is a whole new ballgame. You plug your car in when you pull into the garage. Your car may actually feed power from its batteries back into the grid or into your house's main electrical panel. In the middle of the night it will recharge. For free. From the solar electric system on your house. Your car will have 600 miles range and be able to charge from 20% to 80% in 15 minutes and there will be charging stations at many convenient locations. The batteries in your Tesla are good for a million miles. Who cares, no one is going to want to drive a car that long you say ? OK, how about a substantial trade in value (with much less depreciation than consumers are used to seeing) for your old Tesla for a new one, the old car is scrapped after the batteries are removed and repurposed in another application since they have so many useful charge/discharge cycles left.
These things may be a very common occurrence much sooner than you imagine.
Will I ever own one ? Probably not. I have a sell order set up when my Tesla shares reach a certain point. And I am going to buy a gas guzzling, hydrocarbon emitting, loud, stylish and impractical sports car.
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Geronimo Jim
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An electric car just ain't normal.
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The Tesla's tire split down the middle! There was no nail or screw in the tire - it just failed catastrophically! Nothing fixable even if there was a repair kit.
FUNNY thing is that they DO give you a Jack- LOL.
From Road & Track:
VW installed the Electrify America system as part of a $2B Dieselgate settlement. There's a 350kW charger about every 70 miles along I-70. A second corridor from Jacksonville FL to San Diego will be completed soon. The chargers are also installed north-south along major routes on both coasts and throughout many larger Midwest cities.
Guess what? Tesla can't use them. Road & Track didn't make clear if Tesla hardware isn't compatible with EA chargers .
Quote: ".....EA's chargers don't beat Tesla's Superchargers in number, but unlike Superchargers, any brand of EV other than Tesla can charge with EA." If it's a hardware problem, can an after-market adapter be far behind?
Tesla's top spec charger is 250kW.
VW installed the Electrify America system as part of a $2B Dieselgate settlement. There's a 350kW charger about every 70 miles along I-70. A second corridor from Jacksonville FL to San Diego will be completed soon. The chargers are also installed north-south along major routes on both coasts and throughout many larger Midwest cities.
Guess what? Tesla can't use them. Road & Track didn't make clear if Tesla hardware isn't compatible with EA chargers .
Quote: ".....EA's chargers don't beat Tesla's Superchargers in number, but unlike Superchargers, any brand of EV other than Tesla can charge with EA." If it's a hardware problem, can an after-market adapter be far behind?
Tesla's top spec charger is 250kW.
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All my vehicles have spare tires and it is something worth seriously considering whenever someone buys a new vehicle. If the vehicle doesn't come with a spare at least there should be a place for one should the owner be willing to buy one - even if it's only a donut!
I have never been someone who rely's on services or others to help me out of a situation and even though almost all my new cars have come with free road-side service as part of the purchase price, I have never used it. I simply just install the spare and get a new tire (or repair if applicable). I won't be waiting on the side of the road like a dufus anytime soon! Just not my style!
I have never been someone who rely's on services or others to help me out of a situation and even though almost all my new cars have come with free road-side service as part of the purchase price, I have never used it. I simply just install the spare and get a new tire (or repair if applicable). I won't be waiting on the side of the road like a dufus anytime soon! Just not my style!
