Lucky Gunner not shipping to OK and 4-5 other states?
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Does it violate Constitution to hinder in Commerce the exercise of a Constitutional right based on state of residence?
Does it violate Constitution to hinder in Commerce the exercise of a Constitutional right based on state of residence?
1969 ROADRUNNER
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how many people go to a store and buy something any pay a state tax
i bet not many do
most of use pay city taxes when we buy in stores
the cities are fighting with a lot of the states saying we want our money.
i bet not many do
most of use pay city taxes when we buy in stores
the cities are fighting with a lot of the states saying we want our money.
I have bought a lot from Lucky Gunner. I am 1 hour from Knoxville.
I am going to call tomorrow & see if they are hiring.
If so I will go down fill out an application & if hired I will go into deep undercover & find out the "rest of the story".
Besides I am bored. All guns have been cleaned, cut enough firewood to last the rest of the winter & need some extrav cash. Maybe I can talk them into paying with ammo.
I am going to call tomorrow & see if they are hiring.
If so I will go down fill out an application & if hired I will go into deep undercover & find out the "rest of the story".
Besides I am bored. All guns have been cleaned, cut enough firewood to last the rest of the winter & need some extrav cash. Maybe I can talk them into paying with ammo.
Generally a state sales tax is much lower than a city sales tax, it is the base the city tax is built on. Cities then add their own portions for local hospitals, civic projects, etc. The state takes their cut and the city gets their residuals. Pretty standard everywhere. One reason why if you look at the tax charged it is less than the percentage charged by your city. Did you drive on a road today? Walk on a sidewalk? Take your grand kids to the park? Call for the dogcatcher? Need EMS or Fire department? Just wondering??
Lawyer: Yes
Understand vagaries of Constitutional Law: No
States cannot discriminate based on state of residence
Supreme Court ends state discrimination against new resident liquor businesses | Pacific Legal Foundation
But a private business is not a state
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Rodmaker01
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I'm not a lawyer, ain't ever played one on TV, never stayed in a Holiday Inn Express and don't live in OK. This is purely speculitive thinking out loud.
Apparently OK has an anti-gouging law attached to emergency declarations limiting price increases exceeding 10%. Is OK still under Covid emergency orders? Could this be the reason? why doesn't LG just say so?
I believe Arkansas has a similar law.
Just a thought.
Apparently OK has an anti-gouging law attached to emergency declarations limiting price increases exceeding 10%. Is OK still under Covid emergency orders? Could this be the reason? why doesn't LG just say so?
I believe Arkansas has a similar law.
Just a thought.
sigp220.45
US Veteran
$70 for a box of crappy .357s? I am going to email them and ask for Colorado to be added to the do-not-ship list.
I think you probably nailed it. As for why they don't say so? Because saying "we arn't going to sell to you because of anti gouging laws" makes it seem like they are gouging, weather or not they are.
Tytan01
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I think a competent lawyer can make that argument.
I mean...Judge Roberts reversed himself on the Individual Mandate from being against it saying it violated the Constitution... then after a visit from WH staff... he tore up his argument, pulled a complete 180 and ruled that the Individual Mandate was perfectly legal.
So anything is possible.
Tytan01
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On the Ammo makers?
It has to be ATF and most likely the Department of Justice. We all saw that these gov't agencies all went rogue in 2020. Flat out went rogue and didn't even try to hide it. I have no doubt there was a deal brokered to give ammo makers tax breaks, extra covid relief money and/or promises of protections against the worst of the planned attacks on their businesses by the new administration if they just play ball for a year or so.
All ammo makers and gun manufactures were deemed "Essential Businesses " by a federal judge in March or April 2020 so no matter what state they operated in, they didn't have to shut down production so Covid didn't effect them. If a worker couldn't make it in for whatever reason there's 5 more waiting in the wings to fill his spot. That's how serious production facilities/companies work. They are NEVER in a position where they can't operate their facilities otherwise they'd have been out of business shortly after their grand opening.
It's not Nuclear Science to make sure ammo casings are all standing up when they enter/exit a hopper. It doesn't take a 4 year Bachelor's Degree to count primers as they casually stream by under your nose. Training people to stand at a hopper and watch brass roll by is a 1/2 hour job. Tops. Everything is automated. Machines are doing 98% of the work. A person standing at a station on either end of the line is just a formality.
There is, literally, NO EXCUSE for a 13 month long shortage that still has no end in sight.
Zero. None. Nada. Zilcho.
Rodmaker01
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Follow up to my earlier post ( #48 ). I found a website with a short synopsis of the anti-gouging law in each state. All have a related statute on the books regarding price gouging during periods of emergency declaration. They vary in the degree of what is considered gouging. Most said between 10 and 30 percent above pre emergency prices. One state, Alabama IIRC, states " unconsionable prices ". The goods/services effected by the various laws also differs by state. Some limit it to fuel, food or medicine. Others just say essential products. No mention made as to whether ammo is an essential commodity.
So
Yes, LG is gouging, IMO.
Yes, they are negotiating a legal minefield of diverse state statutes.
No, it's not going to get better until we all refuse to pay unconscionable prices.
I went to a gunshow in Arkansas this weekend. Lots of ammo was available, at least relative to what i've seen in the past year. All of it was way high. Primers $250 a thousand, etc. If the authorities had chosen to press the issue, they would have needed a very large paddy wagon. And no, I did not see anyone actually buy any ammo. I may go back to the show today to see if the tables are stacked or empty of ammo.
So
Yes, LG is gouging, IMO.
Yes, they are negotiating a legal minefield of diverse state statutes.
No, it's not going to get better until we all refuse to pay unconscionable prices.
I went to a gunshow in Arkansas this weekend. Lots of ammo was available, at least relative to what i've seen in the past year. All of it was way high. Primers $250 a thousand, etc. If the authorities had chosen to press the issue, they would have needed a very large paddy wagon. And no, I did not see anyone actually buy any ammo. I may go back to the show today to see if the tables are stacked or empty of ammo.
If the problem is state tax.....
..I've bought several things recently on line and tax was added to the bill. I hope Lucky Gunner can get on board if that's the problem. We have enough blocks to buying going on without this added on top of it all.
..I've bought several things recently on line and tax was added to the bill. I hope Lucky Gunner can get on board if that's the problem. We have enough blocks to buying going on without this added on top of it all.
Where I live in Texas the State rate is 6.5%, the City and County tack on another 2% for a total of 8.5%.
The City and County get the bulk of their revenue from property taxes on real estate.
Personally, rather than fret over it, I would just not look to them as a source.
This ain't rocket surgery.
BTW, Two weeks ago my local Scheels had dozens of boxes of Fiocchi 142gr .357 mag on the shelves at $34.99/bx/50.
Supposition and wild guesses are no substitute for real facts. There are many reasons for the ammo shortage, none of which you have listed. American citizens have caused this shortage, just like they created the toilet paper shortage by buying up everything they can find. Ammo hits the shelves at local stores and is snapped up in hours, if not minutes.
Ammunition companies, after becoming Covid compliant are trying to make up for lost time while keeping their employees safe. While they may be working overtime and/or adding additional shifts, they are hesitant to add additional machines because they may not recoup the cost once supplies catch up and demand falls back to normal levels.
In this perfect storm, you also have to take into account the 7 million new gun owners added last year who want ammo for their new guns, and more people going shooting because of the additional time off Covid created.
These are all facts and are easy to check. Leave the conspiracy theories about ATF and/government induced shortages out of the equation because they are false and do nothing more than stir people up for no valid reason. Let's stick to proven and documentable facts, not wild accusations.
LVSteve
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What are you doing!!! Bringing facts into a perfectly rabid conspiracy argument? How dare you!!!
As for the poster in AZ saying the ammo supply is being choked, in my 20+ years of living in the desert SW, the supply of EVERYTHING is choked here compared to East of the Rockies.
LVSteve
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