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Lucky Gunner not shipping to OK and 4-5 other states?
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This is nothing new. We've gone through this about every four years - about five times in my memory. It happened when it looked like Hilary Clinton was going to win, after Newtown, and when Bill Clinton won among others.
I guess if a conspiracy to constrict ammo worked once it would work multiple times.....and the secret wouldn't get out. Color me skeptical on that one.
What is different this time? Pandemic - riots hyped by the media and an election cycle with democrats specifically calling for gun bans.
Despite some claims in previous posts, ammo manufacturers (and component suppliers) have been impacted by COVID closures. Ammo workers are trained and skilled workers - you wouldn't want just anyone putting ammo together. That wouldn't go well.
What's really different? Remington! Shut down a major manufacturer for bankruptcy and take their production out of the ammo pool during extra high demand and the ammo shortage will be even worse.
I guess if a conspiracy to constrict ammo worked once it would work multiple times.....and the secret wouldn't get out. Color me skeptical on that one.
What is different this time? Pandemic - riots hyped by the media and an election cycle with democrats specifically calling for gun bans.
Despite some claims in previous posts, ammo manufacturers (and component suppliers) have been impacted by COVID closures. Ammo workers are trained and skilled workers - you wouldn't want just anyone putting ammo together. That wouldn't go well.
What's really different? Remington! Shut down a major manufacturer for bankruptcy and take their production out of the ammo pool during extra high demand and the ammo shortage will be even worse.
I think Rodmaker01 hit the nail on the head. I just found that the OK AG announced activating "The Emergency Price Stabilization Act, also referred to the state price gouging statute, prohibits an increase of more than 10% for the price of goods or services after a declared emergency. The statute automatically triggers after the issuance of a state or federal emergency declaration." Too bad the AG office I called couldn't have mentioned that as a possibility.
OK issued a state of emergency on 3/15 relating to the ice/snow storms that hit the state. It is in effect for 30 days. It is meant to specifically cover the cost of building supplies when trying to make property repairs. Probably carries into other areas too, apparently. It sure didn't stop the price increase of my raw cedar boards that I just bought at the lumber yard for a raised vegetable bed. Those increased 21% since 3 days after the ice storm.
OK issued a state of emergency on 3/15 relating to the ice/snow storms that hit the state. It is in effect for 30 days. It is meant to specifically cover the cost of building supplies when trying to make property repairs. Probably carries into other areas too, apparently. It sure didn't stop the price increase of my raw cedar boards that I just bought at the lumber yard for a raised vegetable bed. Those increased 21% since 3 days after the ice storm.
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Thank you for bringing up a great point.
I don't believe Fiocchi is a company owned by either of the Jason's.
It's ammunition made in Italy which....if memory serves me correctly... was one of the hardest hit countries by the China Virus. Yet they are making ammo to be shipped to the US and around the world.
They are supposedly facing all of the same hardships that the Jason's faced as claimed in their videos yet Fiocchi can make enough ammo to ship around the world while the Jason's apparently can't get the job done. As proven by a 13 month long dry spell.
So...either one privately owned company in a virus ravaged country with metal shortages, worker shortages and insane lockdowns can do a better job supplying the world with ammo than two guys in the USA with roughly 14 ammo companies between them, the entire production force that a country of 320+ Million can offer, exempt from all lockdown mandates and not facing any metal shortages can do......or......the Jason's are lying.
As both the Jason's said in their videos...they are producing ammo 24/7/365 so they can't be experiencing a metal shortage.....they can't be out of trained workers and they can't be effected by lockdowns.
So where is all the ammo these people claim they are making going to? Why is a family owned company in Italy that's hampered in every way kicking the Jason's butts? Why is every brick-n-mortor ammo retailer in America getting 1 to 2 boxes of ammo a month while Gun Broker mainstay Gun Prime is getting pallet loads to sell online?
Only one answer.
There is no REAL ammo shortage in the USA. It's a manufactured shortage that was purposely created.
7 Million new gun owners can't buy up all the ammo stock in America if the ammo shortage started BEFORE the gun buying frenzy started.
Gun buying frenzy started in May 2020...ammo shortage started in February 2020.
People need to start being held accountable.
cmj8591
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I wonder if the lumber companies are involved in this conspiracy? I needed some pressure treated 2x4's and it was like trying to find 9mm range ammo. The ones I ended up with were 300% more than the last time I bought some. I should have stocked up when they were cheep! My neighbor waited 6 months for a dryer too. I bet the appliance manufacturers jumped on the band wagon also. I think the real problem we are facing is a delay in the delivery of prescription psychotropic drugs.
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Not to feed any conspiracy theories, but it HAS been a long time since I've seen a few brands, anywhere.
I used to not buy Federal. I bought S&B, Fiocchi, PPU, sometimes Geco. The first 3 listed used to be everywhere in 9mm; now they're nonexistent as far as I can tell.
I used to not buy Federal. I bought S&B, Fiocchi, PPU, sometimes Geco. The first 3 listed used to be everywhere in 9mm; now they're nonexistent as far as I can tell.
Sounds about right. Heard a builder interviewed on a local radio show last week, he said that lumber cost to build a typical home has increased 320% over one year ago. I tried to buy a new recliner, 6 to 8 month wait...so my old broken one will do just fine. I even had to search for a pump rebuild kit for a Coleman lantern, and pay twice what it would have cost last year. As for Lucky Gunner, they are not gouging. They are simply passing on the legal bills acquired while exercising their 2nd amendment right to circumvent state laws and sell ammo online to minors.
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Sounds like the 1973-74 oil "crisis". I lived in NJ at the time, and commercial fishermen said there were tankers just sitting about 20 miles offshore, waiting for the prices to go up to deliver. (big refineries in NJ)
Funny thing was, as soon as the prices went up, there was plenty of oil. I guess people had to made to suffer some so they'd be glad to get it at any price. Wow, what an unusual and unique strategy (/sarc).
cmj8591
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I think the fact that we shut down just about all of the incoming foreign trade for the last year may be the reason for not seeing any brands from other countries. Commerce in the US for the last year has been limited to food, for the most part. It's going to take a long time to catch up. Add 10 million or so new gun owners. Let's say that each one of them buys 2 boxes of ammo with their new gun, that's a billion more rounds just to satisfy just that demand on top of Military and public safety demand. You don't have to be a Wharton graduate to figure out that a shortage will be created. Of course it's much more fun to jump on the conspiracy theory!
I thought about explaining how the nature of international industrial shipping, customs delays etc, would cause 6 months or more of foreign production to hit the market all at once, vs domestic stuff having its daily or weekly production trickle out, but at this point you've clearly established yourself as either a troll, or someone incapable of even basic critical thinking and logical deduction.
leadhead2
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Did you know....
Article 1
Section 9 of the Constitution of the United States.
No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported
from any state.
Article 1
Section 9 of the Constitution of the United States.
No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported
from any state.
CAJUNLAWYER
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Well for starters, I would like to read the actual agreement........
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I can get you all you need-youi just need to be willing to go outside normal distribution channels
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Most of it is made right here in the US by hard working Americans.
"While the company still has roots in Italy and receive a portion of our products from our facility in Lecco, around 80% of Fiocchi brand products that are sold in the US market are loaded right here in Ozark [Missouri] or in our new facility near Little Rock Arkansas. "
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I find this very interesting. What is the name of the Walmart executive that was fired and blew the whistle on Walmart and the Government conspiracy to stop the sale of ammunition?
I also would like to know what news sources have published this news and the links to look it up?
We did and made first contact with aliens. To avoid mass panic on earth a agreement was made by both species to keep their existence a secret. The other moon missions was for trade. The aliens provided high technology such as the microwave oven and cellular telephones in exchange for things the aliens need on their home world. The Apollo missions were ended after the trade agreement expired. The need for secretary is why humans have not returned to the moon even though with current technology it would be much easier than it was is the 60's and 70's.
He is a nut ball so it could be something he made up whole cloth, but My guess is he is referring to when Wal-Mart very publicly stated they where pulling guns and ammo off of the sales floor in many locations to keep it from being looted during civil unrest. It was still available to purchase in these locations it was just stored in the steel lock up cages in back instead of the glass cases on the floor, so it couldn't be smash and grabbed so easily civil unrest got too out of hand.
Well, the Yankee Gov't isn't levying or collecting the taxes we're talking about, and there's the 14th Amendment, so there's that. A for effort, though . . .
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