I don't know about other states, but apparently in Pennsylvania if you have a prescription card for medical marijuana, you're not eligible for a concealed carry permit. I was talking to my friend about it and he never heard of that law so he "Googled" it and sure enough, he said it's true. Now, contrary to some of the joking about this that I do, I really don't use it anymore; this new grade they're growing is just too much for me. I tried it lately to see if it helped with any of my back pain, and all it did was get me high and watch Hogan's Heroes for an afternoon. I need to investigate this a little further for myself (the law, not the green!). Is this true in the other states, especially the "shall issue" ones? Brings up the old argument about alcohol vs. reefer. Now, I know I've answered the question when buying a gun asking if "are you a known drunkard" or something like that, but this is kinda ridiculous, maybe.
Medical plants? No carry!
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Yes, a medical marijuana card will keep your from getting a CPL here in Michigan. I'm sure it's the same in other States. While the federal government hasn't stopped States from legalizing medical or recreational pot use, it's still a schedule 1 drug. That may change in the next year or so.
Form 4473 (firearms transaction record) specifically asks if your an illegal user of or addicted to marijuana. It goes on to say that even if your State has legalized it, possession or use is still illegal at the federal level. Answering yes disqualifies the person from completing the transaction and lying on the form is a felony.
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Form 4473 (firearms transaction record) specifically asks if your an illegal user of or addicted to marijuana. It goes on to say that even if your State has legalized it, possession or use is still illegal at the federal level. Answering yes disqualifies the person from completing the transaction and lying on the form is a felony.
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In NC your BAL has to be zero to carry concealed. Alcohol or drugs and guns do not mix. Personally if it was up to me you would also have to have zero alcohol to legally drive on public roads. Don't see much difference between a 2000 lb projectile doing 60 mph and a 200 gr projectile doing 700 fps. Both have the potential to be deadly. Sadly about 30 people die every day from drunk driving accidents.
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Thanks a lot; appreciate the info. I also agree about alcohol in your system and driving. In PA, anyone under 21 cannot have any alcohol level in their system while driving. As I said, I tried this newer weed, and maybe I'm just old but that stuff is potent. I would never want to drive after smoking a bowl. One thing, as most people know, weed stays in your system for quite a few weeks. Even though you aren't high, the THC is still in your system. I'm retired, but if my job did spot checks on its employees, I'd quit (Weed, not my job!)
s&wchad, I appreciate those links. I'm sure others may appreciate them also.
Most of the stuff is just plain common sense, and the people who would complain would have a hard time arguing their point. Most drugs say don't drive, etc., while on scripts. I did some net searching today and it makes a lot more sense.
s&wchad, I appreciate those links. I'm sure others may appreciate them also.
Most of the stuff is just plain common sense, and the people who would complain would have a hard time arguing their point. Most drugs say don't drive, etc., while on scripts. I did some net searching today and it makes a lot more sense.
It's not just a 4473 purchase problem. You can't even possess a firearm if you smoke medical marijuana. There is no legal use of mairijuana according to federal law. Good luck . . .
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I know noting about medpot, so I won't comment. If you are "sick" and need it , well then I guess you need it.
What I WILL comment about is the drive to make pot legal in some states, just for recreational use. If you can't have a gun and smoke pot, why in the heck do we want it to be legal?
I knew kids in college that smoked pot, and professional people that I was forced to work with after college, and I have yet to find one that was worth a ****. Fortunately, none of them were gun lovers.
What I WILL comment about is the drive to make pot legal in some states, just for recreational use. If you can't have a gun and smoke pot, why in the heck do we want it to be legal?
I knew kids in college that smoked pot, and professional people that I was forced to work with after college, and I have yet to find one that was worth a ****. Fortunately, none of them were gun lovers.
Go figure a federal law that doesn't make sense. "
They tried making booze illegal and that didn't work, so they tried again with pot and as As Gomer Pile would say "surprise, surprise, surprise" it ain't working.
They tried making booze illegal and that didn't work, so they tried again with pot and as As Gomer Pile would say "surprise, surprise, surprise" it ain't working.
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I am 7 miles from the closest little small town of under 10,000 people but we have 3 pot shops in town. While going to dinner one night wife and I decided to go in and have a look around strictly out of curiosity. Nice little lobby that looked like a dentist or doctors office with a small reception window. I was peering in this window when a guy opened it and asked for ID. I showed him my DL (as if the bald head and white beard was not enough to show I am over 18 or 21) and he wanted me to hand it to him. I asked if he could not see it through the glass. He says we have to scan it for our records. Sorry I don't need to know what you have inside bad enough to let you scan my license. No idea what sort of list my info might end up on. Guess if I need to buy something bad enough in the future I'll just have to do it the old fashioned way---on the street. Probably cheaper anyhow skipping the taxes. 
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All this info is stored in a database somewhere, count on it.
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I can't think of a better way to back door gun control than allowing younger adults the ability to freely smoke a mind altering substance.
In fact these kids will exchange ALL their Freedoms for .gov's wacky weed handout.
Sad really...
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In fact these kids will exchange ALL their Freedoms for .gov's wacky weed handout.
Sad really...
Regards,
Kobsw
Yup, sho' nuff, drugs and guns have not yet gotten past the Feds' regulations. Can you blame them?
Clearly, that's true or the Form 4473 wouldn't have the question on there.
And it's a redundant question - and, personally, I think it violates the Fifth Amendment's restriction against self incrimination.
"Are you an unlawful user of....."
Well, since under Federal law you cannot be a "lawful user of" marijuana the questions just screams self incrimination. But I will presume without researching it that the Courts have said it does not violate the Fifth Amendment but how they go to that conclusion has got to be through twisted legal logic.
The addiction part is a whole nuthuh smoke (pun intended). The world is full of people who cannot function without their Valium, Percocet/Percodan, Adderall, or similar medications.
In case those brand names mean nothing to you I'll give you the generic names:
Diazepam
Oxycontin variations
A combination of both amphetamine and dextroamphetamine
So, how does one determine addiction? If you can't get through the day without chemical stimulation or pain reduction because you NEED those controlled substance prescription drugs are you addicted? Or do have to buy them on the street and abuse them to qualify for the Form 4473 ban?
As a lawyer and a former pharmacist I have thought about these things many times.
But this addition to Section 11e is my favorite:
The TV show Blue Bloods had a whole episode devoted to a senior police officer's use of marijuana when he was traveling in a state where the drug was legal but in NY they forced him to retire. How is that fair?
Ahhhh....never mind.....pet peeve.....end rant.....
Clearly, that's true or the Form 4473 wouldn't have the question on there.
And it's a redundant question - and, personally, I think it violates the Fifth Amendment's restriction against self incrimination.
"Are you an unlawful user of....."
Well, since under Federal law you cannot be a "lawful user of" marijuana the questions just screams self incrimination. But I will presume without researching it that the Courts have said it does not violate the Fifth Amendment but how they go to that conclusion has got to be through twisted legal logic.
The addiction part is a whole nuthuh smoke (pun intended). The world is full of people who cannot function without their Valium, Percocet/Percodan, Adderall, or similar medications.
In case those brand names mean nothing to you I'll give you the generic names:
Diazepam
Oxycontin variations
A combination of both amphetamine and dextroamphetamine
So, how does one determine addiction? If you can't get through the day without chemical stimulation or pain reduction because you NEED those controlled substance prescription drugs are you addicted? Or do have to buy them on the street and abuse them to qualify for the Form 4473 ban?
As a lawyer and a former pharmacist I have thought about these things many times.
But this addition to Section 11e is my favorite:
The TV show Blue Bloods had a whole episode devoted to a senior police officer's use of marijuana when he was traveling in a state where the drug was legal but in NY they forced him to retire. How is that fair?
Ahhhh....never mind.....pet peeve.....end rant.....
I contend that if use of pot should keep you from carrying, so should use of alcohol. Drunks do lots of stupid stuff. Alcohol is a mind and mood altering DRUG.
There are controls on the sale of both alcohol and tobacco, if you can't go a week without the use of either YOU are addicted to a controlled substance, just like the above mentioned Rx drugs.
BTW. I seldom ever drink booze and have been required to pass drug test for the last 30 years.
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My son has lived in both Big Sky and West Yellowstone. There is a 10 mile or so stretch between the two that is in Yellowstone Park. He had to remind friends that if they were pulled over for any reason that a med. marijuana card was not valid and if over a certain amount was found a federal bust was forthcoming.
I wonder how many times a local street corner weed dealer was charged with a Federal crime when also caught with a gun.
steelslaver, can I ask you to expand on this?
No. Not that. No argument with that. This:
Other than taxes, what controls are there on alcohol and tobacco? You can buy a couple of cartons of cigarettes, and a case of booze, go home, and smoke and drink for days. You can do that on your front porch as long as you don't disturb the peace. What controls are there?
What controlled substance? I won't argue with your concept of addiction to both cigarettes and alcohol as a fact in America but there are no controls, you don't need doctor's orders, the seller keeps no records other than computerized sales records that are not subject to review as a general thing, you don't have to fill out any paperwork to buy these things and if you use cash and look like me you probably don't need to present any identification. As a matter of fact even using a credit card doesn't always cause a seller to ask for identification. That equals no controls that I can see.
Not being argumentative - I really want to understand where you're coming from.
No. Not that. No argument with that. This:
Other than taxes, what controls are there on alcohol and tobacco? You can buy a couple of cartons of cigarettes, and a case of booze, go home, and smoke and drink for days. You can do that on your front porch as long as you don't disturb the peace. What controls are there?
What controlled substance? I won't argue with your concept of addiction to both cigarettes and alcohol as a fact in America but there are no controls, you don't need doctor's orders, the seller keeps no records other than computerized sales records that are not subject to review as a general thing, you don't have to fill out any paperwork to buy these things and if you use cash and look like me you probably don't need to present any identification. As a matter of fact even using a credit card doesn't always cause a seller to ask for identification. That equals no controls that I can see.
Not being argumentative - I really want to understand where you're coming from.
Regularly here in EDMO. Sell weed with a gun in your picket and that's a five year mandatory minimum . . .
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