time to up EDC?

[LCC]

Used to feel comfortable carrying just an LCP or 642 to the grocery store. This is now the second 'copy cat' potential shooter stopped in three days. From now on it's my 365 and a spare mag with head on a swivel upon leaving the truck. We don't have a gun problem in this country, we have an untreated mental illness problem.

An Instacart shopper believed he heard someone loading guns in a bathroom stall. Police arrested a man with 6 guns - CNN

 

[stansdds]

Well, I have carried a Model 6946 for well over a decade, that's 12 in the mag plus 1 in the pipe. During times of unrest, I have also carried a spare mag, so...

 

[Cal44]

Used to feel comfortable carrying just an LCP or 642 to the grocery store. This is now the second 'copy cat' potential shooter stopped in three days. From now on it's my 365 and a spare mag with head on a swivel upon leaving the truck. We don't have a gun problem in this country, we have an untreated mental illness problem.

I'm feeling the same way.

I'll most likely throw a second j-frame in a weak side pocket as a NY reload.

You might consider the same idea. Carry both your 642 and your LCP.

 

[ladder13]

I too, carry a P365. In the face of that kind of firepower I'm beating feet out of there ASAP.

 

[Ziggy2525]

Lately. I've been carrying a 365 XL because I shoot it best, but in terms of how the Boulder shooting and the copy cats unfolded, wouldn't a J-Frame have worked just as well (or just as poorly)?

 

[skwchock]

Sounds like it is time to bring in the .45ACP/1911s and/or .357 mags --again.

 

[fiasconva]

Hard to believe that wasn't one person carrying there, especially in a state like Colorado. Looks like he picked the right store.

 

[Univibe]

Glock 17 under suit coat or winter jacket.

P365 for summertime.

The only time I carry LCP .380 is during athletic stuff. Better than nothing.

 

[Fishinfool]

Carry what you feel comfortable with. That is going to vary with the individual and situation.

For me, it's an LCP in my pocket, usually a P365 on my hip, and an AR pistol in my SUV. Over kill for some, under kill for others. Works for me here in rural PA.

Larry

 

[Echo40]

I really don't see the point in carrying a higher capacity pistol or extra magazines on the off chance that you should encounter an adversary who is carrying a rifle. You'll be at a disadvantage regardless, and it's not like him carrying more rounds makes him take more rounds to incapacitate.

If carrying more rounds makes you feel more confident, then by all means do so, but please, don't go getting any crazy ideas about laying down suppressive fire or any of that other armchair commando nonsense. All you'll succeed in accomplishing through use of suppressive fire is causing even more damage, wasting precious ammunition, and incriminating yourself in the process.
Armchair commandos who spend all their time role-playing as soldiers on the internet spouting all manner of military jargon/urban slang or insipid attention-seeking trolls who intentionally make absurd statements to provoke responses may say otherwise, but you are responsible for every bullet that leaves the barrel of your gun and you will be held accountable for any collateral damage caused by your shots, regardless of whether it was a legally justified self-defense shooting or not. Don't throw your life away by taking the advise of bloodthirsty psychopaths or perpetual children playing games online.

You don't shoot unless you have a clear shot at your target. Period.

 

[Rpg]

I'm not in the "need more ammo" camp here.

I'm more concerned with my ability to reach out beyond across the card table distances: something I can easily do with my Colt 1911s. Precious few can do it reliably with small pistols regardless of the amount of ammo they have.

 

[scott53]

I've been training, shooting in competition and concealed carrying for over 40 years. As an author I've had the opportunity to interview soldiers, LEO's and civilians who have been in gun fights. Not one of them has said "I wish I had had a smaller gun and less ammo." Personally I pocket carry a S&W 640 with reload and the largest semiauto pistol with a spare mag that I can conceal based on seasonal weather. What you do is your call. We each get to pick. Choose wisely.

 

[Univibe]

Bullets are like girlfriends. You can't have too many.

All that stuff about how you're responsible for every shot, and if you can't do it in 4 rounds you shouldn't have a gun, and how suppression fire has no place in a civilian conflict--all that goes out the window when you have a Luby's cafeteria situation, or a rolling battle with a mentally ill road rager, or a confrontation with four or five juggers. It's do or die. You'll need all the ammo you can get just to stay in the fight.

 

[snowman1967]

They are cowards and narcissists. If they were truly "badasses", they would choose a location where they know they would face return fire. They usually choose soft targets, due to the probability that noone there would be armed and/or ready to take them down if necessary.

 

[Univibe]

They are cowards and narcissists. If they were truly "badasses", they would choose a location where they know they would face return fire. They usually choose soft targets, due to the probability that noone there would be armed and/or ready to take them down if necessary.

And if you run your j-frame or LCP dry in three seconds, guess what kind of target you become?

More = better

 

[lrrifleman]

There are many valid contentions here, and they tend to reflect the type of training that the respondent has engaged in. Honestly, I am not looking to start an argument, but how many of us here have engaged in training beyond bad breath distances? How many have truly tried to see how far away they can successfully engage a target?

Before it is tossed back at me, chances are very good that range proficiency will quickly fade in a firefight. But really, how many people here plan to not put up a fight just because the threat is beyond their trained for engagement distance?

Perhaps it is because most of my life I have been a rifleman, I like to stretch the legs of my handguns. Not in any particular order, I have engaged in: NRA 2700 Precision Pistol (out to both 25 and 50 yards), both 25 and 50 yard PPC matches, and 200 meter IHMSA matches. Shooting at silhouettes with a revolver out to 220 yards/200 meters, can be scary, challenging, and satisfying!

Why carry extra ammo? First and foremost, chances are very good that if I am unfortunate enough to find myself in an engagement with an adversary outside of bad breath distances, I may be the only hope of neutralizing the threat, and NO, I don't plan on wasting valuable ammunition using "suppressing fire". If the threat is outside of traditional engagement distances, and I have a clear field of fire, as long as I have the ammo, I can walk the rounds onto the threat.

How many folks here have ever read the works of Elmer Keith? They can be inspiring when you have an interest in seeing how far away you can successfully engage a target with a handgun. Any artillerymen here? Considering the accuracy and capabilities of a 105mm howitzer, I have often heard the comparison that dropping a 105mm HE round at a target 10-15 miles away is not much different from hitting a target a 100 yards away with a 2" revolver, it just takes some practice!

I challenge you to the following skill test. If your comfort/practice distance is 7-10 yards, put up a silhouette at 50 yards and see how well you hit your target. If your comfort/practice distance is 50 yards, put up a lifesize silhouette at 100 yards or greater (if you have the distance available to you) and see how well you engage the target. You may just surprise yourself! Just because you've never done it before doesn't mean that you can't do it!

Remember, most of us haven't gotten to be as old as we are by playing by the rules all the time, and there are no rules or referees in a firefight!

 

[stansdds]

Bullets are like girlfriends. You can't have too many.

I will add that bullets are like girlfriends, they can be expensive. At least these days.

 

[zzclancy]

Theory

Hard to believe that wasn't one person carrying there, especially in a state like Colorado. Looks like he picked the right store.

I have a theory on why he drove 30 miles north to the Boulder King Sooper's He had one close to his house and several along the way.

My theory is that this particular King Sooper's carries a large inventory of Kosher food and regularly advertises it. Who eats Kosher?

We won't hear that a Muslim targeted those who purchase Kosher foods. Doesn't work for the narrative.

If anyone else has a theory on why he drove 30 miles when there were plenty of closer choices lets here them.

Additionally I had some say the cop was a bad shot striking him in the thigh, no the shooter had on body armor on.

 

[sigp220.45]

I have a theory on why he drove 30 miles north to the Boulder King's Supper. He had one close to his house and several along the way.

My theory is that this particular King's Suppers carries a large inventory of Kosher food and regularly advertises it. Who eats Kosher?

We won't here that a Muslim targeted those who purchase Kosher foods. Doesn't work for the narrative.

If anyone else has a theory on why he drove 30 miles when there were plenty of closer choices lets here them.

Additionally I had some say the cop was a bad shot striking him in the thigh, no the shooter had on body armor on.

I think its either that, or he figured Boulder was the place least likely to have a fellow shopper shoot back.

If it happened in my King Soopers lead would be flying at him from three different directions.

 

[zzclancy]

That was a thought also. There's actually a lot of permits issued in Boulder County. Unable to locate the number.

But who carries regularly?

Waiting to see if we have a surge on permits. We already have the surge in first time buyers.

Colorado is still a gun state regardless of laws passed.