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Gov. Henry McMaster has signed open carry into law in South Carolina.
-permit is still required
-$50 permit fee is now waived

Law goes into effect in 90 days to allow time to "educate" law enforcement, etc. There has been discussion elsewhere on the forum that the SC legislature passed the bill, but no prior mention of it being signed into law.
More details:

https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article251471048.html
 
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" An openly armed society ... is a polite society ... Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life" .

I always did like that quote !

Gary
From Louisiana where open carry has always been legal ... no permit required !
 
Open carry is something I'd never do personally, but fully support the rights of others to do so. WV has been an open carry state for a number of years now, but it still draws attention when you see someone walking around town with a handgun on their side.
 
Gov. Henry McMaster has signed open carry into law in South Carolina.
-permit is still required
-$50 permit fee is now waived

Law goes into effect in 90 days to allow time to "educate" law enforcement, etc. There has been discussion elsewhere on the forum that the SC legislature passed the bill, but no prior mention of it being signed into law.
More details:

https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article251471048.html

Coming soon to a McDonalds near you.............I like it.....I also like the element of surprise. If you go in public and your gun is bigger than the PoPo's gun. Is that gonna cause size envy?
 
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In Georgia a state permit allows the holder to carry a handgun openly or concealed too. Good for the SC governor and legislators for doing away with the $50 fee to obtain the state's permission to exercise your 2nd Amendment right. Here in Georgia you will pay north of $80 to enjoy the states approval.

But

I'd be a lot more impressed with Georgia and South Carolina if they allowed their free citizens to carry handguns without the requirement to have some state sanctioned card.

I think Governor McMaster hit the nail on the head with his statement:

"Today, I signed the Open Carry with Training Act into law! I will proudly support any legislation that protects or enhances a South Carolinian’s ability to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, and that’s exactly what this bill does."

Because too many of us who support the 2nd Amendment have come to this heretical belief that it is better for us to be granted the freedom from the state that is unconditionally a part of "the blessings of Liberty" our founding fathers recognized was granted by a much higher authority. A right obtained by our birth that the government can neither grant or remove, but only help to protect.
 
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Coming soon to a McDonalds near you.

Exactly. I conceal carry every day from the time I get up until the time I go to bed. But I am not a fan of open carry.

Where ever I go, with concealed carry I don’t make people feel uncomfortable. That’s a good thing. Some folks might think making people uncomfortable with open carry is ok, but they need to look at the bigger picture:

1) if you make a business owner’s customers uncomfortable and they leave or stop patronizing his business entirely, that costs that business owner money.

2) It also provides incentive for that business owner to act on the provision under the law to post his business as a no concealed or open carry establishment. That provision reads as follows:

“(C) In addition to the provisions of subsection (B), a public or private employer or the owner of a business may post a sign regarding the prohibition or allowance on those premises of concealable weapons, whether concealed or openly carried, which may be unique to that business.

Open carrying of weapons

SECTION 5. Section 23-31-235 of the 1976 Code is amended to read:

"Section 23-31-235. (A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon, whether concealed or openly carried, upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.

(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon, whether concealed or openly carried, and must be:

(1) clearly visible from outside the building;

(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;

(3) contain the words ’NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED' in black one-inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal;

(5) a diameter of a circle; and

(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.

(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:

(1) thirty-six inches wide by forty-eight inches tall in size;

(2) contain the words 'NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED' in black three-inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty-four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;

(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety-six inches above the ground;

(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry onto the premises.

(D) Nothing in this section prevents a public or private employer or owner of a business from posting a sign regarding the prohibition or allowance on those premises of concealable weapons, whether concealed or openly carried, which may be unique to that business."

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Read that twice and take all the time you need, especially the bit in bold. The law makes no distinction between open and concealed carry when posting a business. The provision not just allows but requires posting against all concealable weapons - open or concealed. This open carry law will consequently and inevitably result in fewer businesses that allow concealed carry.

3) Those folks who are uncomfortable with people carrying guns also vote and when those folks see people carrying guns openly every day in places like the grocery store, then tend to remember that at the polls and vote accordingly. In contrast those same folks are not even aware of you when you carry concealed and are not motivated to vote for anti gun issues or candidates.

4) I’m also in the camp that views open carry as bad tactics.

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Sadly there will be a small percentage that see open carry as an opportunity to “own the (insert whatever here)”, they’ll do a great deal of harm to the pro gun cause and they will be so tone deaf they’ll never even realize it.
 
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Just remember - 'everybody' does mean 'everybody.' These laws are a bad idea, IMO.

I went to a new church Sunday - in a group of maybe 80 congregants, 4 were open carrying. I'll find another church.

Montana (and other states) have had, no permit needed, open carry forever and it has never been a problem. I saw way more guns being open carried prior to a concealed carry permit becoming common and shall issue.

I don't understand why it is a bad idea. Anyone who has no record can get a permit in a shall issue state. All, but 9 states are shall issue. That is 41 states where anyone with no record can get a permit to carry. A prohibited person is still prohibited, so it does not mean everybody. The actual criminals, by their very nature do not follow the laws and will do what they want anyway. Isn't it interesting that the states where a permit is hard to get and "everyone" can't carry general have higher murder rates than say gun heavy permit less carry states like Montana and Wyoming?

Except when I am camping or wandering around out doors I seldom open carry. I don't understand why anyone would open carry in a church. I am not so foolish as to believe I am safe from evil in a church, but to me sometimes open carry is just plain old poor manners. I wouldn't wear cutoffs and a tank top in church either.

BTW, I checked on New Mexico, which is a shall issue state, as in everyone with no criminal record can get a permit, you can open carry with no permit, carry concealed in your car, motor cycle or even bicycle without a permit. You can not have it concealed when you exit car or get off the bike though. My question is how bad is the blood shed in New Mexico from everyone being able to open carry???

PS,The OP started this about open carry becoming legal in SC, but there you will still need a permit to open carry anyway. Its neighbors, NC

Just what do you believe the standard should be.

A level of training?
Who gets to set that level, the NRA or Gifford Law Center?
Moral character?
Who sets that? The president of the Hells Angels or the Pope?
Mental stability?
Who judges that, an ex wife, a shrink? Some people believe just owning guns is nuts.
Criminal record?
Jay walking DUI, disturbing the peace, fighting in public to Serial murder, just where is that line and once again who sets the line? Giffords Law Center or the ACLU, the NRA.

I was once arrested for felony assault, it was dismissed by the judge because I was responding to a threat. I told some wanna be gangsters, that is they persisted in their threats towards my daughter I would kill them all. They were smart enough to take me seriously. Should I be excluded? Charged or convicted record. Not everyone charged is guilty by a long shot.

Don't even start in with the old we need common sense laws. My common sense, yours, my 6th grade teachers or the current presidents? Government has never shown a whole lot of that and for that matter people in general which is probably your actual concern anyway. General lack of common sense.

Judging common sense? Should we use my permanent file dating back to the first grade or just my last 5-10-20 or 30 years?

Just my opinion but if the only thing a LEO is able to arrest a guy for is having a gun and no permit, just what was the problem? A felon with a gun is illegal already, disturbing the peace, ditto, drunk in public, threatening people is illegal with or without a permit. What did the person do beside exercise his 2nd amendment???????????? How about using whatever that was.
 
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Montana (and other states) have had, no permit needed, open carry forever and it has never been a problem. I saw way more guns being open carried prior to a concealed carry permit becoming common and shall issue.

I don't understand why it is a bad idea. Anyone who has no record can get a permit. A prohibited person is still prohibited, so it does not mean everybody. The actual criminals, by their very nature do not follow the laws and will do what they want anyway.

Except when I am camping or wandering around out doors I seldom open carry. I don't understand why anyone would open carry in a church. I am not so foolish as to believe I am safe from evil in a church, but to me sometimes open carry is just plain old poor manners. I wouldn't wear cutoffs and a tank top in church either.

BTW, I checked on New Mexico, there you can open carry with no permit, carry concealed in your car, motor cycle or even bicycle without a permit. You can not have it concealed when you exit car or get off the bike though. My question is how bad is the blood shed in New Mexico from everyone being able to open carry???

PS,The OP started this about open carry becoming legal in NC but there you will still need a permit to open carry anyway.

You mean SC, no permit needed n NC to open carry.
 
Texas has had open carry with permits for some time now. No rivers of blood that I know about.

Texas is real close to passing Constitutional carry. I don't see the need for it but as a strict constructionist I'm good with it. But as a general rule I don't open carry.

The nice thing about the "LTC"/license to carry is (1) no NICS check if you buy a firearms and (2) Texas has reciprocity with 37 states so you can visit in those states, drive through those states, etc., and not have to lock up your gun or leave it at home. Constitutional carry won't work that way.
 
Texas has had open carry with permits for some time now. No rivers of blood that I know about.

Texas is real close to passing Constitutional carry. I don't see the need for it but as a strict constructionist I'm good with it. But as a general rule I don't open carry.

The nice thing about the "LTC"/license to carry is (1) no NICS check if you buy a firearms and (2) Texas has reciprocity with 37 states so you can visit in those states, drive through those states, etc., and not have to lock up your gun or leave it at home. Constitutional carry won't work that way.

Yes, and I will keep my permit for the reasons you mentioned.
 
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But, just how deep is the blood in the streets in NC from having everyone allowed to open carry??

It’s not an issue in terms of violence, but none the less it is still an issue in terms of perception and how a percentage of the red neck “but mah rights...” crowd exercise the right to open carry. They ruin it for the rest of us.

Over the years I’ve observed multiple businesses in NC that had a pro gun owner none the less eventually post the business against open carry. They didn’t to retain customers who are uncomfortable with open carry. In simple terms the yahoos were costing them a lot of money.

To their credit most of those business owners *did not* post against concealed carry, so that remained an option (because concealed is concealed and doesn’t make people uncomfortable).

You need to understand that, unlike NC, the SC law makes no distinction between posting against open or concealed carry. If a business owner wants to prohibit open carry the only legal option is to use the prescribed legal language banning carry of “concealable” weapons which bans both. I suspect that language was added to get it to pass and that was based on the idea that it will inevitably restrict concealed carry in many more businesses.

In short business owners in SC will not have the flexibility of business owners in NC. That’s a big mistake and it’ll be a long term negative for concealed carry permit holders in SC.
 
BTW, I checked on New Mexico, which is a shall issue state, as in everyone with no criminal record can get a permit, you can open carry with no permit, carry concealed in your car, motor cycle or even bicycle without a permit. You can not have it concealed when you exit car or get off the bike though. My question is how bad is the blood shed in New Mexico from everyone being able to open carry???.
We have had nearly the highest violent crime rates in the lower 48 chronically.

"New Mexico's violent crime rate of 856.6 incidents per 100,000 people is the highest in the contiguous 48 states and second highest nationwide."
 
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Having lived in a number of states that open carry with no permit was legal (like NC where I live now) I find arguments against it weak. Especially about making people uncomfortable (or worse). If your old enough you can remember when guns were openly displayed everywhere. The pickup truck rear window rifle holder at high school. People didn't have a heart attack or call police when they saw a gun because they didn't normally associate guns with bad people out to commit evil. So I think open carry is good. If a business owner wants to post open carry not allowed I'm good with that.

On a side note, since I live close to the SC border and my NC CCW is legal in SC, can I now open carry in SC?? Don't plan to but curious how they will handle that.
 
Do we need mandatory training to exercise our free speech rights? Sometimes I think it would be a good idea. Train everyone to hear free speech with a skeptical ear and not fall for every scrap of propaganda out there.

And it would be awesome and fun to require firearms and other self-defense training in school gym class.
 
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