Rastoff's Challenge- Dropping the Gauntlet

[Bob L]

Rastoff's Challenge

I made it out to the range today and ever since I first read about Rastoff's challenge, I have been running the course trying to meet the challenge. It seems like I always end up throwing a round of from the ten yard line. Well, today was the day. Starting from the ten yard line, put six in the center and moved up to the seven, five and three, shooting 6 from each distance double action with my 586. Ended up with the 24 shots in a 2.75 x 1.75 group. Fantastic feeling! Now I want to do it a few more times then moving on to the next four Rastoff's challenges. Made for a great day and a nice way to start the new year.

 

[shocker]

This is just one of those stories....
I put a laser on my 12 gauge shockwave and "zeroed" it at 30 ft with bird shot. I was going to pack up and leave, when I decided what the heck I'll shoot a slug out of this thing just to see what the recoil is like. So. I put the green dot on the bullseye and hip shooting I drilled a 3/4" hole in the 1" red circle. Packed up and went home. Saved the target of course.

 

[mikerjf]

I just found this last year and give it a try every now and then. Actually cleaned up on the close-in shots with my high std derringer. 10 yards, forget it,

 

[CB3]

I made it out to the range today and ever since I first read about Rastoff's challenge, I have been running the course trying to meet the challenge. It seems like I always end up throwing a round of from the ten yard line. Well, today was the day. Starting from the ten yard line, put six in the center and moved up to the seven, five and three, shooting 6 from each distance double action with my 586. Ended up with the 24 shots in a 2.75 x 1.75 group. Fantastic feeling! Now I want to do it a few more times then moving on to the next four Rastoff's challenges. Made for a great day and a nice way to start the new year.

I have thought of doing the challenge backward also (far to near) but figured Rastoff's challenge is set up near to far for a reason--its harder.

Either way, that's some good shooting.

 

[Rastoff]

I made it out to the range today and ever since I first read about Rastoff's challenge, I have been running the course trying to meet the challenge.

I'm really glad you've enjoyed the challenge and tried it several times.

However...

Starting from the ten yard line,...

You went backward and as CB3 said, it doesn't meet the criteria.

Even so, don't take this the wrong way. Shooting the group you did puts you in rare company. You're a great shot. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

[Bob L]

I'm really glad you've enjoyed the challenge and tried it several times.

However...You went backward and as CB3 said, it doesn't meet the criteria.

Even so, don't take this the wrong way. Shooting the group you did puts you in rare company. You're a great shot. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I absolutely won't take it the wrong way, it just give me an additional challenge to do it the right way seeing how now I know that I can do it. Thanks for the encouragement. To quote Arnie, "I'll be back".

 

[Bob L]

I have thought of doing the challenge backward also (far to near) but figured Rastoff's challenge is set up near to far for a reason--its harder.

Either way, that's some good shooting.

Thanks CB3! I guess that I did not pay enough attention to the order of the Challenge as I have run it both way so now back to the range and run it the right way.

 

[Protected One]

Well, I'm heading to the range today and I think I'm going to shoot this challenge again.

 

[delcrossv]

Kids (teenage daughters) having fun. Mod 1950s 45 LC and 45 ACP.

DA rapid fire @ 40'. As fast as they could squeeze them off.

 

[Rastoff]

Kids (teenage daughters) having fun. Mod 1950s 45 LC and 45 ACP.

DA rapid fire @ 40'. As fast as they could squeeze them off.

While I love to see targets, I'm going to say they didn't succeed in the challenge, but nice try.

 

[delcrossv]

While I love to see targets, I'm going to say they didn't succeed in the challenge, but nice try.

Well gee, Rastoff, anyone can shoot 10 ring slow.
They did have fun though.

 

[Rastoff]

Well gee, Rastoff, anyone can shoot 10 ring slow.
They did have fun though.

I'm glad they had fun, but I think we've proven here that just anyone can't shoot the 10 ring regardless of how much time is allowed.

Even so, as important as it is to be accurate, having fun while being safe is more important.

 

[Ole Joe Clark]

For some reason I lost this thread and/or forgot about it. I need to do it again, even though I get the shakes pretty bad sometimes. I'm glad to see it's still generating some interest.

Have a blessed day,

Leon

 

[Harley Fan]

I am tickled this thread is still around and active. Over the years 2015 to 2017, I posted about 7 attempts to this, mostly with a Kimber Custom II I really liked, and this Kimber, in a V-block rest, was shown to be amazingly accurate. But all my attempts were failures, but there were some darned close ones. So much so, I have my best "failure" posted on my reloading room wall. Lots of camaraderie in this large thread. I even got a few words of praise from Taskmaster Rastoff.

I sold the Kimber years ago. But recently I bought a Magnum Research Desert Eagle MR 1911-G full size 1911. Not only was I pleased with the price, it seems to be just as accurate as the Kimber was.

By golly, I must give this original Challenge another go or two!

 

[CB3]

FINALLY!

Happy birthday to me!

Today I shot Rastoff’s Challenge #1 clean. This was probably my 13th attempt in the last two years. I shot it first thing upon arriving at the range, near to far, total of 20 rounds, using Fiocchi 115 grn fmj target amm in my EDC. My one errant shot (that did not break the line) was #2 @ 10 yards.

The first photo is the group at 3+5 yards; second photo is after 7 yards (16 rounds). I did go slowly, and I’m confident I can do better.

This was my first range trip after completing the four-day Front Sight Defensive Handgun course last month.

Thanks Rastoff for helping make me a better shooter on my 72 birthday!

 

[Ole Joe Clark]

Happy birthday to me!

Today I shot Rastoff’s Challenge #1 clean. This was probably my 13th attempt in the last two years. I shot it first thing upon arriving at the range, near to far, total of 20 rounds, using Fiocchi 115 grn fmj target amm in my EDC. My one errant shot (that did not break the line) was #2 @ 10 yards.

The first photo is the group at 3+5 yards; second photo is after 7 yards (16 rounds). I did go slowly, and I’m confident I can do better.

This was my first range trip after completing the four-day Front Sight Defensive Handgun course last month.

Thanks Rastoff for helping make me a better shooter on my 72 birthday!

Great shooting!! Keep up the good work.

Have a blessed day,

Leon

 

[Harley Fan]

Nope.



I cheerfully re-join this thread 5 years later after failing to achieve a winner. This attempt wouldn't have counted anyway, as the Challenge should be attempted "cold"... this was my 3rd. target. The first was with the same Desert Eagle 1911 shown I'm breaking in, my 2nd attempt was with a Glock 22 in .40 S&W. Not proud of those two.

 

[max503]

I teach CCW (carry concealed weapon) classes. It is my goal in these classes to help people learn the law and to shoot better in defensive situations. The law in CA doesn't require a shooting component to get a CCW license. However, my local sheriff likes to see it included in the class. To qualify for the shooting portion, a student must shoot 20 shots. They must all be within the silhouette of a B-27E target like this one:

This target is enormous at 2' wide by 3' tall.

The course of fire is:

• 4 shots from 3 yards
• 6 shots from 5 yards
• 6 shots from 7 yards
• 4 shots from 10 yards

All shots are fired with the shooters choice of grip and stance and start from the ready position (gun loaded, but not in holster). They are all untimed so, there is no need to hurry.

The goal here is to see that the students can handle their guns safely and at least get their bullets to go in the general direction of the target. I thought this would be a very easy test. After instructing many students, I can see that this is more difficult than I thought.

Because I thought it was easy, I had never actually shot the full course. I'm a huge believer that an instructor doesn't need to be the best, but should at least be able to do what he's asking the students to do. So, today I shot the test. Here is my result:

Notice that all the shots are in the orange. There is actually a tiny bit of orange between the right line and the right most hole. So, none of my shots are even touching the line. (It was sunny, but the wind was blowing about 5-10MPH from my back.)

So, I challenge everyone here to run the same course of fire. There is a lot of talk about, "I shoot well enough to defend myself." OK, I'm calling you out. Run this course of fire and post your pics here. Can you keep all 20 shots in the orange? I don't think you can! That's right, I said it, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT!!!

Here are the rules:

• Any target may be used. To say you did as well as I did, all your shots must be within a 2"x3" oval. That's the size of the B-27E bullseye. So, either use a B-27E (regular B-27 would be fine) or provide proof of the size of your group.
• The gun must be a gun used for self/home-defense.
• The gun must be used in the same fashion it would be used for defense. So, if it is a DA/SA, the first shot at each yardage must be shot DA first and then SA for the rest. If it's a revolver it must be shot DA for every shot.
• The course of fire is as above.
• All shots are untimed.

This is done on your honor. If you say you did it, I'll believe you, but you must post a picture of your target. Let's keep this in the spirit of the forum. While I'm sure you can use this gun to defend yourself...

...it doesn't fit the spirit of the competition.

I used this one:

Well there it is.

I know you can't beat me, but can you even come close? PROVE IT!!! (There might be a prize involved. )

Just saw this thread. It is unusual for a person to keep them all in the black. Here in Illinois we do the same test in our CC courses. I shoot revolver a lot. I reload with a Dillion and practice double action. All my shots went into the black when I was shooting my J frame for my class. The people in the class were so amazed they all applauded. I was a little embarrassed.

 

[max503]

I teach CCW (carry concealed weapon) classes. It is my goal in these classes to help people learn the law and to shoot better in defensive situations. The law in CA doesn't require a shooting component to get a CCW license. However, my local sheriff likes to see it included in the class. To qualify for the shooting portion, a student must shoot 20 shots. They must all be within the silhouette of a B-27E target like this one:

This target is enormous at 2' wide by 3' tall.

The course of fire is:

• 4 shots from 3 yards
• 6 shots from 5 yards
• 6 shots from 7 yards
• 4 shots from 10 yards

All shots are fired with the shooters choice of grip and stance and start from the ready position (gun loaded, but not in holster). They are all untimed so, there is no need to hurry.

The goal here is to see that the students can handle their guns safely and at least get their bullets to go in the general direction of the target. I thought this would be a very easy test. After instructing many students, I can see that this is more difficult than I thought.

Because I thought it was easy, I had never actually shot the full course. I'm a huge believer that an instructor doesn't need to be the best, but should at least be able to do what he's asking the students to do. So, today I shot the test. Here is my result:

Notice that all the shots are in the orange. There is actually a tiny bit of orange between the right line and the right most hole. So, none of my shots are even touching the line. (It was sunny, but the wind was blowing about 5-10MPH from my back.)

So, I challenge everyone here to run the same course of fire. There is a lot of talk about, "I shoot well enough to defend myself." OK, I'm calling you out. Run this course of fire and post your pics here. Can you keep all 20 shots in the orange? I don't think you can! That's right, I said it, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT!!!

Here are the rules:

• Any target may be used. To say you did as well as I did, all your shots must be within a 2"x3" oval. That's the size of the B-27E bullseye. So, either use a B-27E (regular B-27 would be fine) or provide proof of the size of your group.
• The gun must be a gun used for self/home-defense.
• The gun must be used in the same fashion it would be used for defense. So, if it is a DA/SA, the first shot at each yardage must be shot DA first and then SA for the rest. If it's a revolver it must be shot DA for every shot.
• The course of fire is as above.
• All shots are untimed.

This is done on your honor. If you say you did it, I'll believe you, but you must post a picture of your target. Let's keep this in the spirit of the forum. While I'm sure you can use this gun to defend yourself...

...it doesn't fit the spirit of the competition.

I used this one:

Well there it is.

I know you can't beat me, but can you even come close? PROVE IT!!! (There might be a prize involved. )

Just saw this thread. It is unusual for a person to keep them all in the black. Here in Illinois we do the same test in our CC courses. I shoot revolver a lot. I reload with a Dillion and practice double action. Almost all my shots went into the X when I was shooting my J frame for my class. The people in the class were so amazed they all applauded. I was a little embarrassed. I think I had one outside the X because I got nervous knowing people were watching. We might not go all the way out to 10 yards. IDK.

 

[Rastoff]

Well done CB3!

It's a lot harder than most think. Welcome to a small group.

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