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Last year, when all the name changes were going on, I asked my mom, she's pushing 90 years old and an FBI, Full Blooded Indian, if she was offended by native team names. She said she wasn't.

I'm certainly not offended. I think this whole cultural marxism is dangerous nonsense.

What's next? Are the Apache and Blackhawk helos going to be renamed?
 
So you have no connection to the indians, no investment in them at all, as you say, then why are you so upset by this? What aspect of your culture and history is this scrubbing?

It's a baseball team changing a name after, as they say, consulting with native american groups across the country. They've had decades of hostility from native groups, including annual opening day protests, and had already removed Chief Wahoo.

I don't think I'll ever understand the outrage culture around this kind of stuff. They've been under fire for ages about this issue, they just didn't care enough until recently to do something about it. Now they finally do, native groups get a win, and as you say, it does not impact you at all emotionally, but here we are. I guess I just don't see accomodating a group as a loss for me, but I'm clearly in the minority here.

Also, for what it's worth, I think this is built on decades of fans and management responses (or in management's case, lack thereof) to native groups primarily upset about "Chief Wahoo". I think there's still a pretty good argument to be made against using a historically horribly marginalized group as your business mascot, but keeping a bucktoothed cartoon caricature depicting a marginalized group, then refusing to do anything in the face of widespread complaints from members of the group it depicts was pretty crummy. If the extent of it had just been "The Indians", they'd still get flack, but I don't think they'd be changing their name today. They retired it in 2018, but by that point I don't think it made enough of a difference to stop what was coming.

Yikes. We're in bizarro world here. You're outraged about "outrage culture".......OVER outrage culture.

Outrage culture is what led to the name being changed in the first place!

You actually see changing the name of a team as "accommodating a group?" Yep, the world's ills are solved now...we changed the name of a team. You can feel better about yourself.

And what the hell does "Marginalized" mean? When are you going to give your "stolen" land on which you currently live back to the native peoples that once lived there? "sorry guys, I'm keeping my stolen land, but we changed a team's name...isn't that enough?"

If you really believe in that "marginalized" nonsense, then you should be advocating a lot more than just changing a team's name.

And here's a reality check: I'll bet there are groups of people that want to change all sorts of names...not just Indians....animal rights groups, etc. There are "groups" for everything. How many groups do you want to "accommodate" to make yourself feel better?

I pray that this culture of guilt that you seem to subscribe to has a short shelf life. I think it will.
 
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Last year, when all the name changes were going on, I asked my mom, she's pushing 90 years old and an FBI, Full Blooded Indian, if she was offended by native team names. She said she wasn't.

I'm certainly not offended. I think this whole cultural marxism is dangerous nonsense.

What's next? Are the Apache and Blackhawk helos going to be renamed?

Probably. We'll have to come up with some new type of language in order to name things so neutrally that NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY BE OFFENDED!

After all, that's the most important thing, right?
 
Yikes. We're in bizarro world here. You're outraged about "outrage culture".......OVER outrage culture.

Outrage culture is what led to the name being changed in the first place!

You actually see changing the name of a team as "accommodating a group?" Yep, the world's ills are solved now...we changed the name of a team. You can feel better about yourself.

And what the hell does "Marginalized" mean? When are you going to give your "stolen" land on which you currently live back to the native peoples that once lived there? "sorry guys, we changed a team's name...isn't that enough?"

If you really believe in that "marginalized" nonsense, then you should be advocating a lot more than just changing a team's name.

And here's a reality check: I'll bet there are groups of people that want to change all sorts of names...not just Indians....animal rights groups, etc. There are "groups" for everything. How man groups do you want to "accommodate" to make yourself feel better?

I pray that this culture of guilt that you seem to subscribe to has a short shelf life. I think it will.

Don't worry, I advocate for a heck of a lot more than name changes, and I didn't advocate for this one, just posted up that I agreed with the change, and why I did. You decided to launch into a diatribe about sensitivity, then monument wrecking, book burning, and history scrubbing, all over something you say you do not care about and that does not impact you.
 
Don't worry, I advocate for a heck of a lot more than name changes, and I didn't advocate for this one, just posted up that I agreed with the change, and why I did. You decided to launch into a diatribe about sensitivity, then monument wrecking, book burning, and history scrubbing, all over something you say you do not care about and that does not impact you.

I explained to you why I care. I don't care about the team itself, I care about this cancerous philosophy that many seem to subscribe to that we need to scrub our culture of anything that 5 people feel is offensive.

Not to solve problems.....but so that those 5 people feel more "virtuous."

It's idiotic.

And again, do you feel guilty living on land that once belonged to people you describe as "marginalized?" How do you sleep at night without giving that back? Changing a team's name seems pretty trivial if you truly believe this, no? Kind of like throwing them a bone? If I were an Indian I'd probably feel a bit patronized, no?
 
Cincinnati should change their name for being insensitive to Communists.

Yep if we let this cancer spread, I have NO DOUBT IN MY MIND that in a few years, there will be a push to change the name of the capital of our nation from Washington DC, and to tear down his monument.

And many people like the one on this thread will be saying "Well, marginalized this, and problematic that....we need to accommodate....blah blah blah"
 
What's funny about all this, is that the targeted group isn't offended, it's another small very vocal unrelated group that's offended on their behalf.
 
For years many of our coins-the Indian Head Cent, the Buffalo Nickel-depicted Indians as a way of remembering them. What's different about a mascot?
 
So you have no connection to the indians, no investment in them at all, as you say, then why are you so upset by this? What aspect of your culture and history is this scrubbing?

It's a baseball team changing a name after, as they say, consulting with native american groups across the country. They've had decades of hostility from native groups, including annual opening day protests, and had already removed Chief Wahoo.

I don't think I'll ever understand the outrage culture around this kind of stuff. They've been under fire for ages about this issue, they just didn't care enough until recently to do something about it. Now they finally do, native groups get a win, and as you say, it does not impact you at all emotionally, but here we are. I guess I just don't see accomodating a group as a loss for me, but I'm clearly in the minority here.

Also, for what it's worth, I think this is built on decades of fans and management responses (or in management's case, lack thereof) to native groups primarily upset about "Chief Wahoo". I think there's still a pretty good argument to be made against using a historically horribly marginalized group as your business mascot, but keeping a bucktoothed cartoon caricature depicting a marginalized group, then refusing to do anything in the face of widespread complaints from members of the group it depicts was pretty crummy. If the extent of it had just been "The Indians", they'd still get flack, but I don't think they'd be changing their name today. They retired it in 2018, but by that point I don't think it made enough of a difference to stop what was coming.

As far as the complaints being "widespread," that's debatable. There's certainly been a small but vocal group that turns out to protest on opening day. I seem to recall surveys of Native Americans generally indicating that most didn't really object. Always struck me as odd to suggest the team chose the name in order to denigrate it.

What do you think about this?
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So incredibly tired of all of this in the last few years. Where do you stop being so stupid? it is a vicious circle of idiocy. How do you deal something that offends one person but then will offend another because the first person is offended?

"I'm offended that you're offended"......What a circular argument filled with room temperature individuals. Additional when companies get involved in this they are doing their shareholders an immense disrespect. Getting involved in politics and woke issues is an ignorant thing to do for any publicly traded entity.
 
The only way to stop this insanity is to boycott it.
I could care less about major league sports but the real danger here is the PC movement which is a tool of the far left. Read history.
 
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There's still a lot of work to do.

"Fighting Irish"? surely someone on the Emerald Isle is offended.

Then there's the Celtics, the Vikings, ...
 
The highest point in SW Ohio is the Norwood Indian Mound. A Pre Columbian burial mound of the Adena Native Americans. It is 12 blocks from my house. The Norwood High School (my alma mater) mascot is the Norwood Indians.

The mound is on the protected National Historic Registry.

No plans to change the name have ever been discussed.
 
We've fought two world wars against the Germans yet all the top breweries still have German names....?
 
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