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27 years ago this month, a jury in New Mexico announced its verdict in one of the most infamous and misunderstood cases in recent memory: Liebeck v. McDonald's, also known as the "hot coffee lawsuit."
This case is held up as one of most egregious examples of frivolous lawsuits. The story goes that a woman bought coffee from McDonald's, drove with it between her legs, spilled it on herself, sued McDonald's because it was hot, and took a cool $1 to $5 million (depending on who's telling the story) off of them. "Wait, she sued because coffee was hot? And she was driving with it between her legs? What did she expect? Anyone can sue for anything these days."
Guess what? That story is almost completely false. I mean, Stella Liebeck did have hot coffee spill on her. That part is true. But here's what's not. Liebeck wasn't driving. The 79 year old was in the passenger seat of her grandson's car. He pulled into a parking spot, where she was trying to add cream and sugar to her coffee. The car didn't have cupholders, so she put it between her legs, and when she pulled the lid off, it spilled all over her.
The spilled coffee wasn't just unpleasant; it was served at nearly 190 degrees, which caused 3rd degree burns over 6% of her body, required multiple skin grafts, necessitated further care after she left the hospital, and left her permanently disfigured. She originally tried to settle with McDonald's and asked for $20,000; they responded with an offer of $800.
At that point, she hired an attorney who discovered that 1) McDonald's required franchisees to serve coffee between 180-190 degrees 2) no other coffee in the city was served at more than 160 degrees 3) 190 degree liquid causes third degree burns in less than 3 seconds and would burn the mouth if consumed at that temperature 4) 160 degree liquid takes over 20 seconds to cause third degree burns and 5) McDonald's had been sued over SEVEN HUNDRED times in the prior decade for coffee being too hot and had settled up to $500,000 in cases and been told to lower the temperature.
Ultimately, McDonald's refused an arbitrator's suggestion of a $225,000 settlement and the case went to trial, where a jury ultimately awarded Liebeck $200,000 in compensatory damages, and $2.7 million in punitive damages. "A ha!," you sa, "so she still got millions! That's still frivolous!" Well...no.
First, the jury found Liebeck was 20% at fault, so the compensatory damages were reduced by that amount, to $160,000. Then the judge reduced the punitive damages to three times the compensatory, or $480,000, for a total of $640,000. We don't know how much Liebeck got because they eventually settled for less than $600,000, but between medical expenses and legal fees, it's a FAR cry from the millions she got for a slightly warmed leg in the well-known story.
So how did this become so legendary? Simple. McDonald's knew the case was going poorly, so it looked to the one thing it had that Liebeck didn't: a bully pulpit. They started a massive PR effort that was basically a smear campaign, painting Liebeck as some irresponsible scofflaw trying to take their hard-earned money. And it worked, to the point that the annual "awards" for frivolous lawsuits are known as "The Stellas."
As for Liebeck? The then 81 year old didn't have the money, platform, or desire to fight back, and used the money to pay for a live-in nurse. She watched company after company use her case as an excuse for tort reform, to stop the big bad consumers from hurting the poor, poor multinational billion dollar corporations, before passing in 2004 at age 91.
Don't believe everything you read. The only way you know what exactly went on is to sit there in the courtroom and observe the whole trial. Juries and Judges are not dummies-they make every effort to do the right thing and those times they get it wrong thee are appeals courts.
 
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Sounds plausible. All except I wonder about the massive PR pushback from McD. That part strikes me as fishy...

Got a source for that, counselor?
 
Thanks, Caje, for the trip down memory lane.

Back in the day, when I was picking juries for injury cases, I used to pray that some ******* in the venire would bring up that case. That event would require the judge to let me examine the prospective jurors about their knowledge (sic!) of the facts of the case.
 
27 years ago this month, a jury in New Mexico announced its verdict in one of the most infamous and misunderstood cases in recent memory: Liebeck v. McDonald's, also known as the "hot coffee lawsuit."
This case is held up as one of most egregious examples of frivolous lawsuits. The story goes that a woman bought coffee from McDonald's, drove with it between her legs, spilled it on herself, sued McDonald's because it was hot, and took a cool $1 to $5 million (depending on who's telling the story) off of them. "Wait, she sued because coffee was hot? And she was driving with it between her legs? What did she expect? Anyone can sue for anything these days."
Guess what? That story is almost completely false. I mean, Stella Liebeck did have hot coffee spill on her. That part is true. But here's what's not. Liebeck wasn't driving. The 79 year old was in the passenger seat of her grandson's car. He pulled into a parking spot, where she was trying to add cream and sugar to her coffee. The car didn't have cupholders, so she put it between her legs, and when she pulled the lid off, it spilled all over her.
The spilled coffee wasn't just unpleasant; it was served at nearly 190 degrees, which caused 3rd degree burns over 6% of her body, required multiple skin grafts, necessitated further care after she left the hospital, and left her permanently disfigured. She originally tried to settle with McDonald's and asked for $20,000; they responded with an offer of $800.
At that point, she hired an attorney who discovered that 1) McDonald's required franchisees to serve coffee between 180-190 degrees 2) no other coffee in the city was served at more than 160 degrees 3) 190 degree liquid causes third degree burns in less than 3 seconds and would burn the mouth if consumed at that temperature 4) 160 degree liquid takes over 20 seconds to cause third degree burns and 5) McDonald's had been sued over SEVEN HUNDRED times in the prior decade for coffee being too hot and had settled up to $500,000 in cases and been told to lower the temperature.
Ultimately, McDonald's refused an arbitrator's suggestion of a $225,000 settlement and the case went to trial, where a jury ultimately awarded Liebeck $200,000 in compensatory damages, and $2.7 million in punitive damages. "A ha!," you sa, "so she still got millions! That's still frivolous!" Well...no.
First, the jury found Liebeck was 20% at fault, so the compensatory damages were reduced by that amount, to $160,000. Then the judge reduced the punitive damages to three times the compensatory, or $480,000, for a total of $640,000. We don't know how much Liebeck got because they eventually settled for less than $600,000, but between medical expenses and legal fees, it's a FAR cry from the millions she got for a slightly warmed leg in the well-known story.
So how did this become so legendary? Simple. McDonald's knew the case was going poorly, so it looked to the one thing it had that Liebeck didn't: a bully pulpit. They started a massive PR effort that was basically a smear campaign, painting Liebeck as some irresponsible scofflaw trying to take their hard-earned money. And it worked, to the point that the annual "awards" for frivolous lawsuits are known as "The Stellas."
As for Liebeck? The then 81 year old didn't have the money, platform, or desire to fight back, and used the money to pay for a live-in nurse. She watched company after company use her case as an excuse for tort reform, to stop the big bad consumers from hurting the poor, poor multinational billion dollar corporations, before passing in 2004 at age 91.
Don't believe everything you read. The only way you know what exactly went on is to sit there in the courtroom and observe the whole trial. Juries and Judges are not dummies-they make every effort to do the right thing and those times they get it wrong thee are appeals courts.

Well, you're in trouble now. Folks loved believing that urban myth, and now you've ruined it!

Hope you're satisfied. Hmp.
 
Living in ABQ, I remember this case as it was all over the local news. On one of the news stations, they actually showed her burns, along with everything else, uncensored, with no warning, on TV!

I threw up in my mouth. I could not unsee it! I should've sued for emotional distress!
 
So all those years of the "Stella Awards" should be invalidated? I love the Stella Awards, annual recognition of damage awards for the stupidest conduct anyone can possibly imagine.

I hope the original Stella is doing well, or at least that her progeny have not completely wasted the generational wealth opportunities presented by the jury award.

If nothing else, we have all had a primer in Spanish on the lid of every cup of McDonald's coffee; "CAUTION - HOT" is "CUIDADO - CALIENTE". Apparently, proficiency in one language or the other is not required to receive a lecture on the serving temperature of fresh-brewed coffee.

Now that they serve iced coffee concoctions there is probably someone scheming on how to cash in on a lap-spill of that syrupy cold mess.
 
Our New Mexico state Risk Management Division created a boom in 'pro se' lawsuits in the 80s/90s by settling nearly any suit, no matter how frivolous, for $2500 just to avoid litigation costs. Well, the 'constutionalist' whackos found that out and started filing suits by the bushel basket; when RMD realized their error and the results, they quit paying so quickly and easily. That caused great distress among the pro se suing class. :)
 
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I was in the apartment business for 44 years, and our family company was sued hundreds of times. How often did we loose? When a judge (elected) heard the case, we lost less than 5%. When a magistrate (appointed) heard the case about 35% of the time, of which a judge overturned the vast majority!

A Common Law suite is "Slipping on the ice, in winter", my brother and I never had even ONE! During Dessert Storm, Mom's maintenance man was in IRAQ, and she got sued for a slick ice side walk. During discovery, some things turned up: It was a 65 degree day in May, by a visitor to an apartment. In Ohio, You have to include everyone involved in the suite. The Tenant, supposedly being visited was out of town all that week. The person that fell lived across town, and had gone to the ER across town two days before, and on and on! Some people are just thieves! Some people are just desperate! But if the professional lawyers do their jobs right, justice usually prevails!

Ivan
 
I remember this case, especially the "McDonald's product temperature standard of 190 degrees".

However, in addition to the burns to her thigh area didn't she also sustain injuries to another area in that region? We call it "The Promised Land" in my home, for very important reasons!

Bill

Update:

I gave Rusty a "Like" solely to thank him for calling this fact to my attention. I saw one of the pictures and that was enough.

From the Internet:

"According to the National Coffee Association, 195°F to 205°F is ideal for optimal extraction. But water's boiling temperature is 212°F, and that range is actually in reference to the brew temperature — in other words, when the grounds and water are together."

This supports the statement made by raljr1 below.

I asked my wife about the temperature of the coffee that we drink after it comes from our Keurigs - 190 degrees. Great Scott!

I believe that it has been previously posted - the cups should have had a warning label stating that the coffee was extremely hot!
 
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The car didn't have cup holders, so she put it between her legs, and when she pulled the lid off, it spilled all over her.
...and left her permanently disfigured.

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My business law professor told us that the woman's attorney did a demonstration in court where he put a chicken drumstick in 190 degree water and after a time, duration of which i forget, and the drumstick was cooked. Mcd's kept their coffee at that temp so it would last longer and they could save a few pots per day by not throwing it away.

Robert
 
Any PR pushback likely be tax deductible, so why not would run it. :)

My thought is that if the following is correct:

... So how did this become so legendary? Simple. McDonald's knew the case was going poorly, so it looked to the one thing it had that Liebeck didn't: a bully pulpit. They started a massive PR effort that was basically a smear campaign, painting Liebeck as some irresponsible scofflaw trying to take their hard-earned money. And it worked, to the point that the annual "awards" for frivolous lawsuits are known as "The Stellas."

It would mean that McD judged that raising the gain, increasing the notoriety of the case, and smearing the victim as kook, was a better strategy than just letting the whole thing die a quiet death, as, per the account above, had happened 700 times previously, with, apparently, no one noticing. And why would they not settle for $20K with the victim if they had settled for as much as $500K in some of the earlier cases?

I think more likely that McD would pay the $20K to avoid appearing to be the big bad corporation smearing the poor old lady.

My brothet was a corporate lawyer. People would occasionally bring frivolous lawsuits. Once a woman claimed that she had tripped on a company provided child's stroller and ruined her sex life. She wanted, I dunno, a big pile of dough. My brother asked her if she would just go away for $2K, figuring they'd save money by paying her off. She took it. That was mid 1980s.

I also kinda doubt McD was dumb enough to go through 700 lawsuits for the too hot coffee, especially after courts had told it to lower the temp. I just don't think they sold all those burgers all over the world by being bad businessmen.

But, I do think it's a good story!
 
IMHO, the absolute worst thing you can do is deny liability. When I was a Patrolman, I got a call one night about a woman who hurt her ankle stepping into a pothole when crossing a city street. I responded to the scene, took the report to include photographs of the injured ankle and the pothole. I left a traffic cone in the pothole and recommended she go to the Emergency Room (after offering to call an Aid Car or transport her myself) and I advised her to bring any medical bills to City Hall. I also sent a report to the Street Department to fill the pothole. I never heard another thing about it.

When I was doing the report, another Patrolman said she was probably drunk. No, she wasn't (as if it would matter if she was) and if she sued, I would have testified honestly.
 
Up front, I thought the lady should have gotten every penny. Just always
thought what if it had been my mom.
But I have heard lots of people make fun or have negative comments
about the lady.
 
27 years ago this month, a jury in New Mexico announced its verdict in one of the most infamous and misunderstood cases in recent memory: Liebeck v. McDonald's, also known as the "hot coffee lawsuit."
This case is held up as one of most egregious examples of frivolous lawsuits. The story goes that a woman bought coffee from McDonald's, drove with it between her legs, spilled it on herself, sued McDonald's because it was hot, and took a cool $1 to $5 million (depending on who's telling the story) off of them. "Wait, she sued because coffee was hot? And she was driving with it between her legs? What did she expect? Anyone can sue for anything these days."
Guess what? That story is almost completely false. I mean, Stella Liebeck did have hot coffee spill on her. That part is true. But here's what's not. Liebeck wasn't driving. The 79 year old was in the passenger seat of her grandson's car. He pulled into a parking spot, where she was trying to add cream and sugar to her coffee. The car didn't have cupholders, so she put it between her legs, and when she pulled the lid off, it spilled all over her.
The spilled coffee wasn't just unpleasant; it was served at nearly 190 degrees, which caused 3rd degree burns over 6% of her body, required multiple skin grafts, necessitated further care after she left the hospital, and left her permanently disfigured. She originally tried to settle with McDonald's and asked for $20,000; they responded with an offer of $800.
At that point, she hired an attorney who discovered that 1) McDonald's required franchisees to serve coffee between 180-190 degrees 2) no other coffee in the city was served at more than 160 degrees 3) 190 degree liquid causes third degree burns in less than 3 seconds and would burn the mouth if consumed at that temperature 4) 160 degree liquid takes over 20 seconds to cause third degree burns and 5) McDonald's had been sued over SEVEN HUNDRED times in the prior decade for coffee being too hot and had settled up to $500,000 in cases and been told to lower the temperature.
Ultimately, McDonald's refused an arbitrator's suggestion of a $225,000 settlement and the case went to trial, where a jury ultimately awarded Liebeck $200,000 in compensatory damages, and $2.7 million in punitive damages. "A ha!," you sa, "so she still got millions! That's still frivolous!" Well...no.
First, the jury found Liebeck was 20% at fault, so the compensatory damages were reduced by that amount, to $160,000. Then the judge reduced the punitive damages to three times the compensatory, or $480,000, for a total of $640,000. We don't know how much Liebeck got because they eventually settled for less than $600,000, but between medical expenses and legal fees, it's a FAR cry from the millions she got for a slightly warmed leg in the well-known story.
So how did this become so legendary? Simple. McDonald's knew the case was going poorly, so it looked to the one thing it had that Liebeck didn't: a bully pulpit. They started a massive PR effort that was basically a smear campaign, painting Liebeck as some irresponsible scofflaw trying to take their hard-earned money. And it worked, to the point that the annual "awards" for frivolous lawsuits are known as "The Stellas."
As for Liebeck? The then 81 year old didn't have the money, platform, or desire to fight back, and used the money to pay for a live-in nurse. She watched company after company use her case as an excuse for tort reform, to stop the big bad consumers from hurting the poor, poor multinational billion dollar corporations, before passing in 2004 at age 91.
Don't believe everything you read. The only way you know what exactly went on is to sit there in the courtroom and observe the whole trial. Juries and Judges are not dummies-they make every effort to do the right thing and those times they get it wrong thee are appeals courts.

I have to at least partially disagree.
I have a close relative that has worked for an international law firm for many years that has seen many questionable rulings from eccentric judges and biased ( racial and non-racial ) juries.
 
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