Doug M.
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Verifying fingerprints is a basic step. I can see the initial problem coming up. Lasting more than a few hours? Flogging time.
Lawsuit: Calif. Woman Held for 13 Days After Case of Mistaken Identity
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My brother had 6 lengthy stays in Aurora while servicing machines at the now closed Caterpillar plant. He liked it there so much that he said if had been closer to Ohio he would have put his résumé in.
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Mossville was a huge plant, about 1/2 mile wide by 1/4 mile wide, 1000's of assorted machine tools. There was a WWII Bridgeport milling machine still still being used. Asked about " obtaining" the War Use tag off it.
FYI...the alleged facts of this story, as they relate to how Farber came to be detained, cannot be accurate. Here is the false part of the story: "She says she was told there was a warrant out for her arrest in Texas and TSA agents refused her pleas to double-check their information after she told them she had never even been to Texas. they completely blew me off," Farber tells ABC7. "They said, 'Nope, Bethany Farber, we have you.' "
I fly regularly, for business (a lot more than I want to sometimes) and for pleasure. I've become all-too-familiar with TSA screening procedures over the years. TSA does not do NCIC checks on passengers because TSA officers (not "agents") are not Law Enforcement Officers. TSA officers check IDs and boarding passes as the first step in checkpoint screening; they are verifying only that the names on both documents match. They have no way of knowing whether there is a warrant out on anybody, they don't arrest people, and they don't "turn passengers over" to police.
Something happened -- and the story carefully omits what it was -- to cause airport police to get involved with Farber, and it would have been they, and not TSA officers, who ran the NCIC check and discovered the warrant. Perhaps she was argumentative about the mask mandate, or lacked an ID, or caused a disruption at the screening checkpoint, but something she did caused her to come to the attention of the police, and it could only have been then that the warrant was discovered.
The rest of what happened to her -- assuming that part of the story is accurate -- sounds like it was inexcusable, but everyone's favorite air travel whipping boy, the TSA, is innocent here.
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That cannot possibly be true. TSA officers are not LEOs, they have no power to arrest anyone, nor do they have handcuffs.
I'll betcha $1000 to a dozen donuts that TSA doesn't pay her a dime. The story, as written, cannot be true.
Doug M.
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Whoever first made contact and ran the name probably has a defense. The later events, involving the failure to run fingerprints and other checks to make sure that they had the right person, are inexcusable and will be expensive. The only way this could get worse is if she was assaulted by another inmate while there. I saw one of those. Over 30 years ago, it cost the jail/SO/County in question well over a million bucks.
If there is a proper look into this event, a few people should be getting fired, and LA County will be lucky to settle this for less than 7 figures. This simply cannot happen without MAJOR errors.
If there is a proper look into this event, a few people should be getting fired, and LA County will be lucky to settle this for less than 7 figures. This simply cannot happen without MAJOR errors.
oddshooter
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$1000 to a dozen donuts.
I'll take that bet.
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I'll take that bet.
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Many years ago as I was seeing my father off to his home in the north Seattle area from the local AP the TSA agent wanted me to take my belt off so she could rescan me with the magtrometer she was using. I wouldn't do it because if I took my belt off my pants would fall off. She could easily see it was an all metal belt buckle and that it was the only thing setting off her alarm. She even ran her hand around my belt to see that there was no weapon tucked into my belt. She finely said I could not go to the gate to see him off, and I told her I was going and she could shoot me in the back ( she was carrying some kind of pistol) but I was going to the gate. Came back from the gate past where she had done the passage check and there was noone around. Real security there I mean to tell you. My dad had a roofing hatchet in his carryon bag.
There's a person in my county that has the same name as me. Only difference is our middle names.
My younger brother named both his Son's after myself and my youngest brother. Both of them (Nephews) have criminal histories. Makes a traffic stop an adventure IF don't they don't check middle name or date of birth rookie mistakes happen.
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I believe the woman will get a ton of money, but none from TSA. They may have detained her, till LAX police arrived and arrested her, they past her to LAPD, who kept her locked up, failed to check deeper etc. Story even states she has brought suit against LAPD, and airport police (LAX), with no mention of suit against TSA
Detained is legally different than arrested. You get stopped and questioned for anything, by any form of a LEO, you are being detained. If you don't believe me, see shat happens when you try to walk away. What constitutes being detained may vary some from one jurisdiction or agency to the other may vary but suing for being "detained" would be way more difficult than "arrest".
I think Beamerguy53's donuts will be on oddshooter
Detained is legally different than arrested. You get stopped and questioned for anything, by any form of a LEO, you are being detained. If you don't believe me, see shat happens when you try to walk away. What constitutes being detained may vary some from one jurisdiction or agency to the other may vary but suing for being "detained" would be way more difficult than "arrest".
I think Beamerguy53's donuts will be on oddshooter
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twodog max
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I have a very Irish last name and a common first name. Several firearms purchases have been slowed down due to an IRA member having the same name. No why some genius cannot figure out that the IRA is not buying a firearm in the hills of Arkansas is a mystery.
My brother has been held up twice flying through New York City for the same reason and while touring Ireland was held at the airport there a good while for the same reason as well.
Lot's of laziness and not much common sense. There are no pictures or description on those alerts.
I guess I should have crossed the Rio Grand to get a clean slate.
My brother has been held up twice flying through New York City for the same reason and while touring Ireland was held at the airport there a good while for the same reason as well.
Lot's of laziness and not much common sense. There are no pictures or description on those alerts.
I guess I should have crossed the Rio Grand to get a clean slate.
Pisgah
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Like everyone else commenting, I was not there and have no idea what actually occurred. So give me a little while to decide exactly what happened, why, and what the outcome will be, and I'll get back you...
hemiram
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A friend of mine has been held for several hours twice while traveling. His cousin, a real lowlife, has the same name, and they are born 2 months to the day apart, and they can't seem to bother to just check the cousin's DL picture, they look nothing alike. There's a huge height and weight difference, my friend is the big one, eye and hair color are different too. The cousin is blonde haired and blue eyed, my friend has dark hair and brown eyes.
Both times, it's taken several hours for them to decide he's not his cousin. An emailed DL would seem like it would be enough, or even just his height and weight. 5'7" vs 6'4" is not a small difference. Needless to say, it's screwed up vacation travel both times. The last time, his wife and youngest kid just got on the plane without him and waited for him to show up the next day.
Both times, it's taken several hours for them to decide he's not his cousin. An emailed DL would seem like it would be enough, or even just his height and weight. 5'7" vs 6'4" is not a small difference. Needless to say, it's screwed up vacation travel both times. The last time, his wife and youngest kid just got on the plane without him and waited for him to show up the next day.
That's a tough situation. I would suggest your friend should try to get a photocopy, if possible, of his cousin's Driver's License, and carry it with him when he knows his own ID will be checked.
I have a very unusual Scottish first name -- one that is rarely heard even in Scotland, and never over here -- and a German last name (only in America, right?
; while there are a lot of disadvantages to having a unique name, ID mixups isn't one of them.hemiram
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He tried that, but they seemed to think he was trying to put something over on them, as if he could magically change size, etc. The security people don't seem to have a lot of common sense. Kind of like when I flew from Toledo to Chicago to FL, back to Chicago, then suddenly, I was told I couldn't keep the kubotan key chain I had flown with 3 times in my pocket. I had to put it in my luggage, which had been lost from Chicago to FL a week before! So I sat there and finally got the keys off it and put it into my suitcase. It was a hunk of lexan, a steel pen was more dangerous and I had one of those and flew many times with it without anyone saying anything. It was like this:
I had it for over 30 years.
I had it for over 30 years.
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He tried that, but they seemed to think he was trying to put something over on them, as if he could magically change size, etc. The security people don't seem to have a lot of common sense. Kind of like when I flew from Toledo to Chicago to FL, back to Chicago, then suddenly, I was told I couldn't keep the kubotan key chain I had flown with 3 times in my pocket. I had to put it in my luggage, which had been lost from Chicago to FL a week before! So I sat there and finally got the keys off it and put it into my suitcase. It was a hunk of lexan, a steel pen was more dangerous and I had one of those and flew many times with it without anyone saying anything. It was like this:
I had it for over 30 years.
It's a prohibited item. It's unfortunate that TSA missed it the first three times you flew with it, but that doesn't mean they were wrong for enforcing their rules the 4th time.
Kubatons | Transportation Security Administration
