Feeding problem with ammo

[rubiranch]

A close friend and I both bought several boxes of 45 ACP from
Western Montana Technical.

We shot about 250 rounds today in three different guns.
My full size M&P, my Shield 45 and my friends Performance Center Shield 45.

All three would jam when feeding the next round. Not just once
but at least 10-15 rounds per box.

Not an issue when we switched to Winchester ammo.

I wont buy it again.

On edit, he did not experience any problems with their .40 or .223 ammo.

 

[cracker57]

any Ideas why, col, weak load, etc.

 

[alwslate]

Most likely caused by underloaded ammo that will not fully retract the slide when ejecting the empty case.

 

[stansdds]

Sounds like it might be under-powered ammo.

 

[cracker57]

All three would jam when feeding the next round. Not just once
but at least 10-15 rounds per box.

sounds like he was getting the jams while feeding not extracting.

 

[rubiranch]

any Ideas why, col, weak load, etc.

I'm going to send a half dozen of them to a good friend and see what he thinks.

I have no idea.

 

[SS336]

If it’s not a bullet shape problem, it sounds like the cases might not be sized correctly? Maybe run them through a taper crimp die set to .468-.470 and try them.
Not seeing picture of the miss feed makes it hard to guess.

 

[Nevada Ed]

Might be under powered.

If you load.........
maybe seat the bullet deeper and test them again.

 

[STORMINORMAN]

Or report & return them to Western Montana Tactical (?) as being defective and dangerous... They do appear to be more than just a reloader, based upon a trip to their website.

Ammo that doesn't work is dangerous to carry, BTW!

Cheers!

 

[rubiranch]

If it’s not a bullet shape problem, it sounds like the cases might not be sized correctly? Maybe run them through a taper crimp die set to .468-.470 and try them.
Not seeing picture of the miss feed makes it hard to guess.

The one in the center is a Winchester.

 

[rubiranch]

Or report & return them to Western Montana Tactical (?) as being defective and dangerous... They do appear to be more than just a reloader, based upon a trip to their website.

Ammo that doesn't work is dangerous to carry, BTW!

Cheers!

Its not ammo that I would carry. Just practice ammo. But still.

Thank you. I will contact them tomorrow.

 

[stansdds]

The one in the center is a Winchester.

The ammo does not look bad, although maybe they could apply just a tiny bit more taper crimp. What I see, however, does not lead me to think that the crimp is the issue. I'd be real interested to see this ammo chronographed.

 

[gwpercle]

Contact the ammo company with all particulars , box with lot numbers etc . don't bad mouth them or be mean or ugly ... just I thought you might like to know the problems we had ... most companies want to know of problems , they should make it right for you ... bad press hurts a business.
Stuff like this does happen , under load is easier on you and gun than over load. My Ruger was damaged by factory overload . Winchester and Ruger took care of it ... I bet the ammo company will do something for you ... if they don't ... Shame on Them !
The ammo pictured looks decent , maybe a new company still getting the "bugs" out .
Good Post ,
Gary

 

[SS336]

What does the miss-feed look like? It is hard to diagnose without seeing what it looks like.

Stansdds could be right if the miss-feed is such that the slides not picking up the next round from the magazine. Not enough velocity or to heavy a recoil spring…for that load.
Is it picking up the round but not fully chambering it? Is the round hitting the barrel hood?
While the 1911 is a great design it can be a little finicky at times.
Since it shooting Winchester factory 230gr RN just fine, at least you know it is just an ammo problem.
The picture of the offending round with the Winchester does look pretty good visually, a little time with a set of calipers will tell you if it is out of spec with crimp or length.
It is perplexing to try and solve a problem without getting one’s hands on it.
I might just regulate that ammo to shoot in a 45acp revolver if you have one, or gift it to a friend with one.
Good luck.

 

[AJ]

A close friend and I both bought several boxes of 45 ACP from
Western Montana Technical.

We shot about 250 rounds today in three different guns.
My full size M&P, my Shield 45 and my friends Performance Center Shield 45.

All three would jam when feeding the next round. Not just once
but at least 10-15 rounds per box.

Not an issue when we switched to Winchester ammo.

I wont buy it again.

On edit, he did not experience any problems with their .40 or .223 ammo.

Maybe that is their way of teaching their students to clear malfunctions?

 

[Nevada Ed]

Now that I see the problem ammo.........

you are not going to gain much by seating the bullet deeper.

A call to the company and a ammo return for a refund or better ammo
might be your best bet.

Good luck.

 

[rubiranch]

What does the miss-feed look like? It is hard to diagnose without seeing what it looks like.

Stansdds could be right if the miss-feed is such that the slides not picking up the next round from the magazine. Not enough velocity or to heavy a recoil spring…for that load.
Is it picking up the round but not fully chambering it? Is the round hitting the barrel hood?
While the 1911 is a great design it can be a little finicky at times.
Since it shooting Winchester factory 230gr RN just fine, at least you know it is just an ammo problem.
The picture of the offending round with the Winchester does look pretty good visually, a little time with a set of calipers will tell you if it is out of spec with crimp or length.
It is perplexing to try and solve a problem without getting one’s hands on it.
I might just regulate that ammo to shoot in a 45acp revolver if you have one, or gift it to a friend with one.
Good luck.

No 45 acp revolver and 900 rounds is a bit much for me to gift.

I wont be back home until Friday. I will get it to do it again and take a picture of it jammed in there.

I will contact the company and see what they want to do.

I still have another 900 rounds and just planned on using for target practice.

I sent them an email and I am waiting for a reply.

THANK YOU for all the feedback.

Kenny

 

[Narragansett]

If you waxed each round, you would not have any feeding problems

 

[chief38]

If at all possible, stick with the ammo made by the major manufacturers. Federal, CCI, Winchester, Remington.

As of late, while shooting with friends at our Club, I have witnessed problems with brands such as Magtech and other small or foreign brands not normally found in gun stores but brought in during the ammo crises because they needed SOMETHING to sell. I've seen store bought reloaded ammo that was actually completely unsafe to shoot!

I suggest always using quality name brand ammo, reloading your own, and stay away from brands you have never heard of before - just my suggestion, YMMV.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

A while back I bought this Montana Remanufactured 38 Special.
It’s got a 158 Cast SWC and shoots strong, compared to the Girlie Man 130 that I often shoot.