The gun store charges you for a 4473?...The ATF doesn't charge the FFL for them...I normally ordered them in multiples of a thousand, no charge shipped to the door...
...Ben
Interesting wrinkle in Oregon law
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...Ben
I had that happen to me last year and one other time a few months ago. Most times it only takes a few minutes at the most. Before the Covid thing and the election I never waited here in Florida.
Similar situation in Nevada. BG checks used to take 15-30 minutes, increased to 1-3 weeks during Covid. In Nevada BG checks aren't required if you have a CCW. Although I carry pursuant my LEOSA credentials, I obtained a CCW solely for the BG exemption - also save the $25 BG fee. Another advantage to having a CCW in NV is they're good for 5 years, where as LEWOSA requires annual qualifications.
So some places charge for the background check, while others dip into your pocket to hand you a 4473?...I'm astounded...I recall when I was in the biz, some locals trying to collect a fee to call in a NICS check, and they were told right away by ATF to cease and desist......Ben
Yep!
Conversely, Washington has instant BG checks - literally takes seconds and there's no charge.
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The gun store charges you for a 4473?...The ATF doesn't charge the FFL for them...I normally ordered them in multiples of a thousand, no charge shipped to the door...
I charge for everything I have to do. They're not charging for the form. They're charging for their time to run the NICS. Perfectly understandable. . .
I think it would be more palatable to just build it into the price of the gun rather than itemize it...I wouldn't buy from anyone who was going to charge me to talk on the phone or type on a keyboard...
...Ben
Absalom
SWCA Member, Absent Comrade
View from NW Oregon:
I usually give my DL rather than my CHL number for the Oregon check, simply because I have the DL memorized.
Just last Saturday, while he was entering my info into the online check system, my FFL guy opined that it appeared sometimes that guys who used their CHL instead of their DL as the identification number got approved faster … oops, look there, you're already approved, good to go
I'm not making this up. It's really random. The DL or CHL number just serves as ID, and gives you no advantage.
I also think the high numbers, like being #3456 in line, is a system fluke, not an actual queue. On gun show Saturdays I've been #15 or #20 and hung about my FFL friend's place for 20 or 30 minutes while we watched the line move up on his computer. But never anything fantastic like in the thousands.
In Oregon, one also needs to remember that the OSP Firearms Unit is the entity actually conducting the check and that by law they don't just run the Brady check on the buyer, but also NCIC and state databases on the gun, so any delay can be anywhere along the line.
I usually give my DL rather than my CHL number for the Oregon check, simply because I have the DL memorized.
Just last Saturday, while he was entering my info into the online check system, my FFL guy opined that it appeared sometimes that guys who used their CHL instead of their DL as the identification number got approved faster … oops, look there, you're already approved, good to go
I'm not making this up. It's really random. The DL or CHL number just serves as ID, and gives you no advantage.
I also think the high numbers, like being #3456 in line, is a system fluke, not an actual queue. On gun show Saturdays I've been #15 or #20 and hung about my FFL friend's place for 20 or 30 minutes while we watched the line move up on his computer. But never anything fantastic like in the thousands.
In Oregon, one also needs to remember that the OSP Firearms Unit is the entity actually conducting the check and that by law they don't just run the Brady check on the buyer, but also NCIC and state databases on the gun, so any delay can be anywhere along the line.
We have the same problem in WA for pistols and AR's. State runs the check and returns the proceed to the FFL just like OR.
Our law says the state has 10 days or the FFL can transfer without a proceed. I believe in OR it's 3 days. Some dealers won't transfer until they get a proceed no matter how long it takes. My last transfer took 10 days in WA.
Personally I don't get excited about it. I have the firearms I need already. Get used to not being able to buy some things and having to wait for other things. If you really want that firearm you'll just have to get in line. I bought a 1911 from CMP. They ran a BC and I passed. They then shipped the pistol to my FFL and he ran another BC. I waited 16 months in the CMP que for that pistol and then another 10 days after my FFL received it. How's that for a long wait?
Our law says the state has 10 days or the FFL can transfer without a proceed. I believe in OR it's 3 days. Some dealers won't transfer until they get a proceed no matter how long it takes. My last transfer took 10 days in WA.
Personally I don't get excited about it. I have the firearms I need already. Get used to not being able to buy some things and having to wait for other things. If you really want that firearm you'll just have to get in line. I bought a 1911 from CMP. They ran a BC and I passed. They then shipped the pistol to my FFL and he ran another BC. I waited 16 months in the CMP que for that pistol and then another 10 days after my FFL received it. How's that for a long wait?
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I think it would be more palatable to just build it into the price of the gun rather than itemize it...I wouldn't buy from anyone who was going to charge me to talk on the phone or type on a keyboard...
You'd have trouble getting out of jail . . .
That was a long time ago, and the statute of limitations has expired, I tell ya...Besides it was three other guys who look just like me, and I was out of town that weekend...I wuz framed!...
...Ben
That was a long time ago, and the statute of limitations has expired, I tell ya...Besides it was three other guys who look just like me, and I was out of town that weekend...I wuz framed!...
Whatever. That's a story for your lawyer. As far as I'm concerned you didn't do it, which is definitely a minority opinion on this forum as regards those charged with a crime. You're still gonna pay for the call and my time, plus the bond fee. Or you can spend your days around a stainless steel picnic table with a spork . . .
I'm not sure I could get used to a life of luxury like that...
...Ben
I'm not sure I could get used to a life of luxury like that...
Lots of people do . . .
michael1000
US Veteran
now, back to the background checks: what is going to happen to gun show buyers if they have to wait overnight or until next week? most venues won't let you hang around that long.
sure takes the convenience out of buying at a gun show.
sure takes the convenience out of buying at a gun show.
Picked up a pistol today. Once the form was filled out and submitted on the computer, waited about 20 minutes.
The clerk told me I was fourth in line for the check. I asked if my having a CHL made a difference. He said absolutely, that if I did not have a CHL, I might have been number 4000 and something in line.
BTW, while today I used my CHL as an ID because it has my correct address, in the past when I used my driver's license with my old address, checks were equally fast. (My DL currently has my old address.) I think through either your SS# or your DL#, the system knows if you have a CHL so whether or not you use it as an ID for a transfer is immaterial.
The clerk told me I was fourth in line for the check. I asked if my having a CHL made a difference. He said absolutely, that if I did not have a CHL, I might have been number 4000 and something in line.
BTW, while today I used my CHL as an ID because it has my correct address, in the past when I used my driver's license with my old address, checks were equally fast. (My DL currently has my old address.) I think through either your SS# or your DL#, the system knows if you have a CHL so whether or not you use it as an ID for a transfer is immaterial.
2 transactions this year in Oregon from different dealers: both said my CHL moved me to the head of the line and I was headed out the door in about 15 minutes.
Good Luck,
Jerry
Good Luck,
Jerry
xtrtsqrt11
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I noticed that you made this post on 10-19-21 in reference to 10-18-21.
You also have to remember that on 10-19-21, the mandate for state workers vaccinations was effective in it's full repercussion mode.
That may have had something to do with slow moving state services...
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