Unexplained things/paranormal stuff….

[Ugly Hombre]

Here's another one.

Used to work in a military hospital, it was a old one built in 1968, had a key to the PT gym it was kind of a clubhouse for me- would go in there after work and exercise, goof off drink coffee, read book etc it was super. A good hide out.

One weekend my wife wanted to go shopping- I wanted to go to the gym, so of course we go shopping- by the time we got back it was about 2200- "aw hades I have been a lazy devil this week its late but I will go to the gym"- dropped wife off at home headed to the gym, had my work out clothes wooden sword etc quiet dead quiet in the hospital ahhh great I soak that up circle walk old man exercise- nice springy, slotted, wooden floor- lost track of time.

Like all military hospitals that place had a bad rep. for haunts, I knew all the house keeper girls and knew they did not like to be in there at night and that there were some areas in that place- that they would never go alone. I knew two medics who had seen a something apperation look out of a window from a old long unused surgery room after dark. I knew the unit Commander had seen a nurse look out at him from the third floor down to the parking lot round midnight she had a peaked nurse cap on not worn for 20 years.
I scoffed..

Well sudden I looked at the clock about 5 min to midnight seemed like it got cold and hazy in there I started thinking "Its midnight- your in a hospital alone-and there is a dead guy in the closet."

We had a real skeleton from long ago since the place was built in a special metal cab.. in a closet. That was weird too. Pieces missing knee caps etc etc, but that's another story

I don't like this gather up my stuff mu jian in my bag lock up and head out creepy its creepy- midnight.

As I walk out towards the elevators- they start to vibrate, bang together- I have to walk towards them and take a right to get out. Closer I get the louder they get- "That's weird I should call the building custodian" then there is a tapping on the inside of elevator closer to me. Louder- "oh hades no, I am outta here!"

Went out to my car someone had put cones across the driveway. ?? kicked them out- took off.

That Monday, I told the girls. "Dang, now I know why you don't want to be in here at night- I did not see any thing but this is what happened to me- lemme tell ya, gave me the creeps"

"Oh you don't know?"

"Know what?"

"Two ghost kids- play on the elevators at night, lucky you did not see them"

 

[Imissedagain]

The ghost of Islamorada.
As real as it gets.. or maybe???
Who ya gonna call.....

When ghosts are real then Dominos will be the best pizza ever.

I've met people who believe that a shark is always waiting under the keel of the boat.
They're never invited for a second sail.

 

[ACORN]

My only personal experience if that's what it was. My wife bought a dog when we were dating. A beautiful black Chow Chow, Keisha. One night she got loose and got hit by a truck, saw it happen, she died in my arms. After she died when I'd go out to where we let her out at night, at times I'd hear what sounded like her name tags, dog license, etc. tinkling like they did when she'd run up on the deck to be let in.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Regarding reincarnation, coming back, getting to redo one's days, I take a very broad view of the Creator's powers.
I have experienced what I call "time slips", finding myself "Back There", seeing buildings that were gone before my day. Yes, I know, I watched too many episodes of "The Twlight Zone"-"The 7th is made up of phantoms".

 

[twodog max]

I have always been interested in this sort of stuff but personally with one exception have never experienced anything of a "ghost" like event. I have seen many UFO's in my lifetime but do not believe they were little gray humanoids from wherever it is they are supposed to be from. They were UFO's in the most technical definition in that they were flying lights in the sky that did not appear to be planes, satellites, or objects of earthly origin. What or where they were from I have no idea. To me it is interesting to ponder but as yet unproven. Coming from a scientific background I prefer to see hard evidence before total belief is given even if I suspect the possibility is there.
A large part of skepticism, I believe, is based on two premises. First no personal belief or experiences. Secondly all the hyped up TV shows dealing with paranormal with so called experts with more tattoos than a carnival side show exhibit, technicolor hair, body piercings and brazenly presented bizarre personal lives flaunted as a part of the venue as if that has something to do with their abilities. That stuff turns my stomach and lends to a severe lack of credibility. Then add into it these "experts" seem to see boogers everywhere all the time. All that nonsense makes any serious consideration virtually impossible.
The ghosts I encounter are of a more mundane type. As I get older and realize all the inevitable consequences of aging I encounter "ghosts" more and more. As an example I love the Ozark mountains and spend considerable time wandering around in them. Most of the time alone as my associates from earlier days for a large part have went on ahead as they say. In my travels I cannot go anywhere that I do not seem to have memories of people, places and events of the past. These memories definitely haunt my thinking about what was and how much I miss those times. Those people are definitely there for me in the sense that I vividly recall them when stirred by a place or other stimulus.
Maybe this is what all ghosts are???

 

[THE PILGRIM]

And I did see the Glowing Orb.
It was early morning just before Sunup.
I was walking along a lonely country road.
I looked over in a field and there it was.
It appeared to be several feet in diameter, rolling, bouncing and coming toward me.
I ducked down and loaded the Stevens Double 12 Hammer Gun I was carrying.
Then after a while I cautiously looked.
It was gone!

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

So many ossified minds!!! I would venture to speculate that not a one of them has ever done an iota of research into the subject.

It would not surprise me a bit that if they were confronted face-to-face with the visage of years passed granny that they would pass out cold, then come to and claim temporary insanity, or that it was a reflection from passing headlights.

Coconuts are a tough thing to crack.

Personally I don't care what anyone believes. It effects me not in the least.

 

[alwslate]

So many ossified minds!!! I would venture to speculate that not a one of them has ever done an iota of research into the subject.

It would not surprise me a bit that if they were confronted face-to-face with the visage of years passed granny that they would pass out cold, then come to and claim temporary insanity, or that it was a reflection from passing headlights.

Coconuts are a tough thing to crack.

A determination to believe what you want to believe regardless of evidence is a tough thing to crack. Exactly how do you set up an experiment to research the idea that consciousness continues after death? Not near death experiences but death. I sometimes have visions of being back at work and seeing visions of my former coworkers Then I wake up and realized I just dozed off in front of the tv Some people make a living by catering to people that think like you do. They hold seances

 

[03hemi]

My dad was slowly dying of brain cancer after it had taken it's course over a 10 year period with his body, with the little wherewithal he had left he went to a his favorite seafood restaurant and blew half his head off in their parking lot in his car. We use to talk on the phone just about every night, living in separate states, while we each had a scotch and one night we made an agreement that who ever went first, if possible, to come back and tell the other one what it was like after death?
After 20 years he's never shown back up, kinda glad see'n how he'd only have half a head left and all.

 

[Echo40]

I have experienced no shortage of strange/paranormal occurrences in my life, but most of them are pretty generic stuff you hear about all the time... Bumps in the night, footsteps upstairs when nobody is up there, stuff getting moved/going missing, getting a whiff of scent that then suddenly disappears without a trace, lights flickering, etc.

One thing that comes to my mind though is shortly after my grandfather died, I had an incredibly lucid dream in which he visited me. He never said a word, (which was odd, because he was a talkative man) but he kept leading me to different places inside the house, pointing at things. At the very end of the dream, he lead me to a dresser where he opened up the drawer and pulled out a scroll of wallpaper with a distinctive floral pattern on it. When I awoke the next morning, I told my mother about it, to which she looked as if she had seen a ghost, went to that very dresser, opened it up, and pulled out the exact same scroll of wallpaper. She explained to me that she had only just bought it the other day. Obviously, I had never seen nor heard anything of it before I had that dream.

Everything else I'd rather not talk about and probably shouldn't anyway because obviously I cannot even begin to understand what was actually going on, much less explain it, so it would just sound crazy.

Oh, but I will say this much... I am 100% positive that some of my family members are Vampires. No, not the blood-drinking kind, but the kind that feeds on drama so they're always trying to stir things up.

 

[Rustyt1953]

I am going to do an experiment. If the spectre of Franklin (Saxon Pig/Art Doc) shows up here to chastise me I will have proof.

Here goes: pencil barrel.

 

[Geno44]

I don't know if this is appropriate to the thread but the Clint Walker story about his skiing accident is an interesting one.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03mt7C8-fJg[/ame]

 

[alwslate]

I am going to do an experiment. If the spectre of Franklin (Saxon Pig/Art Doc) shows up here to chastise me I will have proof.

Here goes: pencil barrel.

Wow! You really do like to live dangerously don't you

 

[ExcitableBoy]

A determination to believe what you want to believe regardless of evidence is a tough thing to crack. Exactly how do you set up an experiment to research the idea that consciousness continues after death? Not near death experiences but death. I sometimes have visions of being back at work and seeing visions of my former coworkers Then I wake up and realized I just dozed off in front of the tv Some people make a living by catering to people that think like you do. They hold seances

Of which evidence do you refer? Positive? Negative? An Opinion? Please enlighten us all.

Never attended a seance and have no desire whatsoever to do so. Yes, they are a load of bull waste product...

Apparently you skipped my first post in which I stated that I've had "experiences", in which there is no "belief" involved other than believing what my lying eyes and other senses observed. During none of the occurrences was I "looking" to see or feel anything. There was no rhyme or reason for any of it... just observance of what happened. And no determination involved, either.

"Belief" implies "faith", which would lead us down the path of one of the Forum's banned topics, something that I will not do. But I will say this: Faith itself is based on beliefs that cannot be substantiated by science or experiment... You may extrapolate on your own from this point.

Please answer this: Why are you getting all riled up and defensive about such a harmless and friendly discussion? Inquisitive minds want to know.

 

[alwslate]

Maybe you need to go back and refresh your memory. Read your own insulting post about "ossified" minds before you start squalling about being a victim.

 

[ExcitableBoy]

Maybe you need to go back and refresh your memory. Read your own insulting post about "ossified" minds before you start squalling about being a victim.

Usually, in any kind of debate, there would be a well reasoned answer/rebuttal to any postulated questions/points presented, of which none have been brought forth. (i.e.: Please disregard all of the sincere testimonies of contributing Forum members.)

Sorry, I didn't know that this was a contest, but if you think so, then I'd say it was Game, Set, Match.

Have a nice life. Over and out..

 

[Sheepdogged]

As to me being an authority on anything you can say I am not
and be correct. On the other hand reading a couple books on
a subject doesn't make you one either.
Again if there is irrefutable evidence of previous lives or one
being reincarnated please present said proofs.
I do not have to disprove Dr. Tuckers or Leininger's claims,
it's for them to scientifically prove them, which I might add
they have not.
Bias, well if not believing the two sources you mention as well
as other science fiction writings, then yes I am biased. I stated
above I am a skeptic and also not as gullible as some people.

That's my point. Dr. Tucker et al. have provided scientific evidence, and you would know that if you studied the phenomenon. Clearly you have not, so what you're saying sounds like denial in my opinion. I gave you the sources, so I don't have to do anything. In other words, it's not up to me to write a book report for you. It's up to you to read what these scientists have written in their books and have discussed in their presentations. Tucker said that there is now a scientific basis to believe life goes on after death. That's a pretty bold statement from a medical doctor working OFFICIALLY in this capacity for the University of Virginia School of Medicine. After reading his book, that of the Leininger's, and many others, I agree with that statement. If you do not, that's your prerogative, but I don't think it's fair to make it look like these doctors haven't provided evidence just because you're not aware of it. Again, that's contempt prior to investigation.

 

[Echo40]

Consciousness as we know it cannot exist beyond death because consciousness as we know it exists strictly in the physical realm within the cognitive faculty of the human brain.

Spiritual Consciousness would be a different thing entirely, something which likely remains almost completely dormant or otherwise inaccessible until all Physical Consciousness has faded away.

Logically Speaking, the Physical and Spiritual Realms of Existence must not coexist in the same plane, otherwise Physical (Living) Beings would be capable of openly communicating with Spiritual (Deceased) Beings as freely as people communicate with each other.
Furthermore, it is for this very reason why Seances don't work and never will, because two separate planes of existence which we have already established cannot coexist together in the same place couldn't be bridged, linked, or otherwise made contact with by any physical means, and if they could, then there would be no question about it because we'd all be communicating with dead loved ones on a regular basis.

So how do certain folks experience paranormal phenomenon in the Physical Realm which presumably comes from the Spiritual Realm? I don't know, nor does anyone who still exists in the Physical Realm, really. Like so many things in this world, it's a mystery.

Factually speaking, we are living in a universe in which not everything has a working scientific explanation, and a large number of spiritual beliefs simply cannot be disproven by science because science cannot confirm one way or another whether such things exist.
So when it comes to these arguments, you typically are left with two sorts of individuals. Those who believe or otherwise wish to believe in an afterlife because they find the concept comforting that their existence will one day come to an end. Or otherwise those who don't believe or otherwise wish not to believe in an afterlife because they find the concept foreign and disturbing, preferring to believe that one day everything will be over.
What separates the two? It could be any number of things... Quality of life. Folks who love or hate their existence, wanting more out of it for one reason or another, or simply wanting it to end because they've had their fill of existence, one way or another. Sense of duty or responsibility. Those who wish to continue living because they desire a purpose-driven existence in which they may continue to find satisfaction through some form of service, or those who deny all sense of duty/responsibility, have lived selfishly, and thusly reject the concept of an afterlife in which they may find themselves judged poorly for the way that they lived. Regardless of the reason, most folks choose to believe whatever suits them the best, whatever makes it easier to get through their day, whatever is most comforting to them.

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[Imissedagain]

^^^^ That's funny.
Houdini laughed as well.

First rule of scientific research ..... leave your baggage at the door.