Great Great Grandfather

[wood714]

Wood if you go to the Officer Down Memorial Page website you will find some information about the case of Mr. Allen's murder of Deputy Sheriff Charley Tucker.

Thank You.

My mom said Elisha shot him, but the interviews I found all said he was stabbed.

Only 2 years for killing a cop, things were a lot different in the 1800's I guess.

Deputy Sheriff Charles Henry Tucker, Casey County Sheriff's Office, Kentucky

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

Only 2 years for killing a cop, things were a lot different in the 1800's I guess.
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Maybe the deputy had it coming? That was a real defense in those days!

"He needed killing!"

Ivan

 

[steelslaver]

I know about 5 of them
My one gg grandfather was a Union officer from Ohio, after the great debate him and his brother went to Texas rounded up a bunch of then wild cattle and moved them to the what is now the Wyo Montana border.

Another was a Metis, a French Algonquin mix from the Quebec area that ended up in Minnesota. His daughter (my Great Granma Winnie) married a guy who was killed in WWI and moved to Eastern Montana

Another was from New England and he signed on a whaler and never made it back.

Another was a farmer in Iowa, whose son David homesteaded in E Montana.

The other was a German immigrant who became a farmer in N Dakota. His widowed daughter my Great grandmother Wiepert homesteaded on the Powder River in E Montana

I knew 2 of my Great grandmothers who never passed till I was out of HS. I can also renumber one of my great grandfathers.

I can trace my last name ancestry back to to 1635 in Boston. The First American with my full name was born there is 1650 and family lore is he helped dump tea in the harbor.

 

[oldbrownhat]

No GGFs known to me aside from a couple of entries in the huge (adoptive) family bible. I do know that my surname (in a slightly different spelling) is in the Domesday Book, as the area just east of Liverpool was taken from a Saxon thane and given to a Norman and I think it was his son who changed his name.

On the US side, my paternal grandparents (not great-gp's) were born during the Civil War, 1862 & 1863 I think. My biological father was the last of 10 children, born in Kentucky in 1903. They upped sticks and moved to Saskatchewan around 1912. I've lost touch with the few family members I met 20+ years ago but there is a very bad Xeroxed copy of my grandparents in their 80's that looks a lot like the famous Grant Wood "American Gothic" painting, except they were very elderly old "stringbeans"

 

[kmyers]

The only one I knew much about was my maternal grandfather's granddad but it was because the influence had on my granddad and all that was taught about the outdoors and carpentry, both of which to extents was passed on to me. GGGF's family tree going back was escaped Louisiana slaves who crossed the Sabine River and came to Texas, Mexican settlers that moved to Mexican Texas and Quahadi Comanche. So the man had an interesting background in his ethnic and cultural mix. I remember as a kid and before the place burned down the old log cabin and everything with it that he built that was the hunting cabin. It could have been transplanted into any of the old western movies or TV shows and be a perfect fit with nothing modern in it.

 

[DWalt]

One of the problems with Genealogy is how names changed as you go back in time. Not so long ago, many people wrote phonetically and cared nothing about correct spelling, so you might find the same person's name spelled several different ways. The other finding is that many old official records (census, birth and death, marriage, wills, etc.) produced before typewriters existed were hand-written, and are often nearly indecipherable. So when such records are used to trace lineage, whoever transcribed them could easily have made serious mistakes. Many times, I have reached the point where the family tree stops cold because I can't determine a name with certainty. Another problem is too many common names. Say, if you knew for sure that your GGGMs name was Mary Smith and you knew she lived in New York City in the mid 1800s, you are going to find dozens, if not hundreds, of Mary Smiths were there at that time, with no clue which one of them (if any) was your GGGM. I ran into that situation with one of my GMs. I knew her name and her parents' names, that they lived in Cincinnati in the mid-19th century, and that both parents came from Germany, but their names were so common that I was unable to get any additional information beyond that. It didn't help that at around that time almost everyone in Cincinnati seemed to have come from Germany. So that branch of the family tree has stopped there, at least for the present.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

I knew her name and her parents' names, that they lived in Cincinnati in the mid-19th century, and that both parents came from Germany, but their names were so common that I was unable to get any additional information beyond that. It didn't help that at around that time almost everyone in Cincinnati seemed to have come from Germany. So that branch of the family tree has stopped there, at least for the present.

This is the time you fill in the blank with Family Legend. Like my GGGUncle "Hamburger" the sailor, these were bedtime stories that were passed down for generations. We found him on a ship's manifest out of Hamburg, Germany.

Ivan

 

[oldbrownhat]

...We found him on a ship's manifest out of Hamburg, Germany.

When my gf was tracing part of her father's side of the family a dozen years ago, her ancient aunt (now deceased) said that Sandra's GGGF (?) had emigrated to Australia from Vienna.

Long story short, he had been a member of the Johann Strauss Orchestra when it came to play at the Melbourne International Exhibition of 1880. I sent a request for any info to a couple of libraries in Oz and the Victoria library sent me PAGES of documents, scans, pdfs etc., including the ship's manifest for the SS Aconcagua on which the orchestra arrived, and there was "Jos. Scheibein, age 30; trumpet & 2nd violin." This nice Jewish boy ended up staying in Oz and marrying the daughter of a Methodist minister. And the rest, as they say, is history.

 

[Sistema1927]

I also know of only 3 of my GG Grandfathers. None on my maternal side. I have visited the gravesites of all 9 of my direct male line born in this country beginning in 1630 (My Dad is still alive, he is 10th generation, and I am 11th). They are all buried in 3 cemeteries within 15 miles of each other in Connecticut.

For my wife, we have records for 7 of her 8, and recently discovered that one of her GG grandfathers died in Santa Fe during the Mexican War. Like many soldiers of that era, he died of disease. He was a Missouri Mounted Volunteer, and his family did not learn of his demise until 7 months after his death. He was originally buried on the site of the military hospital near the plaza, but was probably reinterred in the Santa Fe National cemetery when it opened in the 1890's. There is a section there of graves marked "Seven Unknown American Soldiers", "Nine Unknown American Soldiers", etc., but we cannot be sure that they actually found his body and moved him.

 

[RobertJ.]

I know nothing about either great-great-grandfather on my mom's side of the family. However, on my dad's mother's side, my great grandfather moved here from Germany in the very early 1900's. His brother, my GG uncle, stayed in Germany and fought on their side in WWI. I know nothing else about him, or about my GG grandfather, who also stayed in Germany.

They were not blond-haired, blue-eyed Germans. They were Jewish. I've always wondered how my GG grandfather and my GG uncle and his family fared a few years later.

 

[sceva]

Below is a photo of my Great Grandfather on my Fathers side on his 1919 Indian Twin

The Sceva's were in the Champagne County area of Ohio from the early 1800's, the came there from, as I understand, from New Hampshire

My Great, Great, Great grandfather joined the Mormon;s when they came thru Ohio and elected to go west with them starting a new family in the Ogden area. My GGG Grandmother divorced him and stayed on the family farm with her children.
(As I heard the story, when he died in Utah some church officials came back to Ohio to take possession of the Family farm ( Evidently at that time when joining the Mormon's you would sign over property) As my GGG Grandmother was awarded the property in the divorce , again as the story was told to me, the people of Champagne County Ohio took exception to that and ran them out of town.

 

[Onomea]

Really like that pic, sceva. Clearly, not the kind of man to trifle with.

 

[.455_Hunter]

One of my Great-Great-Grandmothers was born in Mongolia and ended-up coming to the US via San Francisco. That branch of the family needs more research.

 

[DWalt]

For those who may not know, the Mormons (LDS) put great stock in genealogy and tracing relatives, and maintain a huge repository of information in Salt Lake City. They also have a free website called Familysearch which I have found to be very helpful. It seems very complicated to use at first, but the system is fairly quickly learned.

 

[arjay]

It can be quite a rabbit hole. I found more relatives emigrating all over the British empire in the 19th and early 20 th century including 23 family members comprised of 3 generations sailing for New Zealand in 1863, a cousin homesteading in Saskatchewan who was photographing everything in the late 19th century to quite a few who ended up in the states.I even found a cousin who's the 13th in his line to be an Earl and a peer lol
( his great great grandfather was a brother of Gavin in my earlier post)

 

[raljr1]

I was the one who posed the question and find this thread very interesting...i did not know either of my grandfathers. My dad's dad died 14 years before O was born and my mother's dad died when i was about 4...i have no memory of him.

I know who my great grand father was on my dad's side but I know very little about him.

Robert

 

[AKtinman]

I've been able to document 7 of my GG Grandfathers.

They were born in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia. The one from Mississippi lived his entire life there. The others all ended up in Texas, with one finally moving to New Mexico.

One served as a Ranger in the Texas Mounted Volunteers under Captain Henry E. McCulloch from 1850-1851.

Five served in the CSA and all survived the war. One of those, in the 8th Texas Cavalry, who was captured in Tennessee, spent 17 months in the Union prison Camp Morton, Indianapolis, before being shipped to Virginia where he was paroled. He then walked back to Texas, receiving the loan of a horse when he was about 20 miles from home.

One, according to family lore, suffered a crushed windpipe as a teen and spent the rest of his life with a metal tube in his throat, finally suffocating when the tube slipped. Seems far-fetched, but I suppose it could have happened.

It is interesting to me to learn a bit of what these folks endured during their lifetimes without modern medicine or conveniences. And - if they had not survived, I would not be here.

 

[Robspeire]

MY great Grandfather came here from Germany by himself @ the age of 13 YO & joined the Union Army in 1862. After the war in settled down in Butte Montana and became a miner. His picture is in the Museum of Mining in Butte. ( fathers side).
Do have relatives in Butte Mo. & Evansville Ind.
my cousin Don Stewart who I grew up with (NY) moved to & lived in Montana & worked for the state.
Mothers side all from Finland & all fisherman or loggers in Maine.
BTW last name is Otto.

 

[Rustyt1953]

On mom's side: her dad's father (Thomas Burgess) retired from an Irish woolen mill. Her mom's father (Samuel Blakemore) retired from a Manchester textile mill.

I was cut from good cloth.

 

[VaTom]

MY great Grandfather came here from Germany by himself @ the age of 13 YO & joined the Union Army in 1862. After the war in settled down in Butte Montana and became a miner. His picture is in the Museum of Mining in Butte. ( fathers side).
Do have relatives in Butte Mo. & Evansville Ind.
my cousin Don Stewart who I grew up with (NY) moved to & lived in Montana & worked for the state.
Mothers side all from Finland & all fisherman or loggers in Maine.
BTW last name is Otto.

Interesting. The Union Army put a lot of the German Immigrant Soldiers in the same Division/Corps. They were often called dutch. At the Battle of Chancellorsville, the "Dutch" corps under General Howard held down the right flank -end of the Union defensive live. The flank was "hanging in the air" and not anchored by any geographical feature or dug in fortifications.

It was there that Confederates under Stonewall Jackson attacked at dusk after a daylong flanking march. Jackson's attacking line was one mile wide and came busting through the woods/ thickets and completely rolled up the Union lines.

The Union soldiers and that flank had suspected something was up all afternoon but General Hooker and the Union Higher ups ignored their warnings. They got an undeserved bad fighting reputation as a result. If you haven't read about this I encourage you to. Your GGF may have been there. A good source is Bruce Catton's Volume II of the Army of the Potomac entitled "Glory Road".