Cracked 659 Frame

If you bought this off of GB, I believe you have avenues of recourse, but I am not the best advisor on GB. There are others that can better help with that. I would immediately advise the seller that you found a crack ( sooner is better, like right now ). Do not fire it.


Good luck with Gunbroker - I would try to work with seller for return / refund. But if you have to go thru GB, dont expect much in terms of response or action.

Still waiting for them to respond to overcharge on sales tax 2 weeks ago - 3 messages and 2 followups plus seller trying to contact them to correct - no response to me or seller.

2 years ago I filed a fraud claim and they requested documents. I sent certified mail return receipt with tracking - they refused delivery of docs and they sat at PO for a month. Sent a second set certified without return receipt - it was returned unaccepted with first certified mail docs. Sent 3rd set regular mail - never heard from them as to any response or action.
 
Good luck with Gunbroker - I would try to work with seller for return / refund. But if you have to go thru GB, dont expect much in terms of response or action.

Still waiting for them to respond to overcharge on sales tax 2 weeks ago - 3 messages and 2 followups plus seller trying to contact them to correct - no response to me or seller.

2 years ago I filed a fraud claim and they requested documents. I sent certified mail return receipt with tracking - they refused delivery of docs and they sat at PO for a month. Sent a second set certified without return receipt - it was returned unaccepted with first certified mail docs. Sent 3rd set regular mail - never heard from them as to any response or action.

Then go to the seller. I did once on a pre 18, and he took it back for pushoff and something else. End shake I think. Yeah I know, easy to fix stuff, but I asked these questions beforehand. You should do fine if you have a good seller. Negative feedback is not well liked.

I have heard before what ACEd said about GB.

Keep us posted............Good Luck!!
 
Gunbroker, at least in my own experience, is one-stop shopping…their way for them, and the highway for you! That doesn't mean the seller won't help, and apparently there are lots of good ones. I rarely use GB, but I've bumped into two good ones who made things right for me. If I had been forced to rely on GB, I'm sure NOTHING would have happened. I hope you can get this old girl straightened out. I hate to see guns like this torn down, parts sold off, and the frame scrapped, when just a little shop work will get it going again. On the other hand, I know it's basically just so much steel and only a few people feel the same way about it. Good luck with whatever you decide.
 
Then go to the seller. I did once on a pre 18, and he took it back for pushoff and something else. End shake I think. Yeah I know, easy to fix stuff, but I asked these questions beforehand. You should do fine if you have a good seller. Negative feedback is not well liked.

I have heard before what ACEd said about GB.

Keep us posted............Good Luck!!


Agree - best to work with seller - if he does not have any Negative Feedback, its in his best interests to make it right.

In my case, I was among several who had problems with my seller and he apparently did not care - he was on GB for about 6 mo then disappeared. He claimed to be selling off an estate - had more positive feedback than negative but eventually ended up with at least half a dozen negatives and several neutrals before he left GB. He sold the same 39-2 NIB 3 times and delivered a different 39-2 with wear and in my case damage and well worn mismatched box and nothing was done.
 
Thanks for the advice, everything is lining out just like everybody here predicted. GunBroker is been completely unresponsive, but I contacted the seller and he's being cool. He said that he will find a way for me to ship it back that is the least inconvenience for me and will refund.

He said this is never happened to him before, it seems sincere. If he makes this right it'll work out perfect for me but with just a little bit of inconvenience.

Since I bought a different 659 in very good condition and have a 5906 that is acceptable, My goal is to have one pistol from each generation. If I can get the 659 refunded and as long as the 59 I ordered that's coming in Friday is in good shape then I will be in where I want to be.
 
Looked at my new to me 659, and guess what. Looks like previous owner knew it was cracked.
 

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As others have noted, this is one of the pitfalls of buying a gun online from auction sites like GB.

Unlike actual consignment auction companies with reputations to protect who act as actual middle parties in the sale, sites like GB just host the listing and they are extremely unlikely to ever insert themselves into a dispute, even when it's a clear case of fraud or misrepresentation of the item, out of fear of losing sellers.

There a few warning signs to look for and some things you want to consider.

- avoid sellers that only accept a postal money order. With a credit card you can dispute a transaction for up to 60 days (and the card company will often freeze the sellers funds until the dispute is resolved if the seller has a history of claims). That won't bother a legitimate seller at all, but it will cause massive problems for a seller with a spotty history.

- read the fine print on inspection and return policies very carefully. Some sellers may allow, for example, a "three day inspection" period, but that period often starts when the FFL receives the shipment. It can take some FFLs 2-3 days just to log it into the bound book and notify you it has arrived. Your three day inspection period is often over before you even receive the gun to look at it, and sellers know it and often use it to their advantage.

Similarly, some sellers may not accept a return once it has left the FFL. So let's say they sell you a 9mm revolver and it looks great during the inspection. However on your very first range trip, that same day straight from shop to range, you discover you need a mallet to eject the cases from your Remington green and white box 115 gr FMJ rounds. It's a defect in how the chambers were cut in the cylinder that you cannot detect until you shoot it. Almost no FFLs routinely test fire a transfer firearm, and many don't have the facilities to do it anyway.

The end result is that even with an inspection period you may be unable to return a defective and or mis represented firearm. And GB isn't going to care.

- do look at feedback and anything less than perfect should be suspect.

- buy local when you can. You might pay a bit more at a local gun shop but you do have the ability to inspect the firearm before you buy. With a local shop you will *probably* get better service when it comes to return and warranty issues as they have a reputation to protect with local customers. But there are exceptions, so ask questions about return and exchange policies upfront as well as who is responsible for pursuing warranty service if there is a problem with a new firearm.
 
Ah man, looks like the same place too

Across many semi auto pistol models, the square corner at the bottom of the slide release recess in the frame is a common place for a crack to occur.

First, it's in a high stress area of tue frame adjacent to the magazine well and under a cut in the rail. There just isn't much metal there and by definition it's thin metal compared to the rest of the frame.

Second, if that recess has a nice sharp corner, that sharp corner creates a stress riser that concentrates the forces involves and invites a crack.

Third, on many pistols the slide release recess is end milled into the frame and significant tool marks are often left. The sharp little Vs at the bottom of those tool marks are also stress risers.

It's the one location you absolutely positively should *ALWAYS* inspect when buying a used pistol with a slide release lever. Even if it does not have a slide release lever. You definitely want to inspect any sharp corners in the frame, particularly around the magazine well where the slide material is thinnest.
 
Welded frame. Please see previous post.
 

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If it came from GB I'd definately suggest working quickly with seller. That's even if listing was "As Is". The Sellers do not wanted detailed negative feedback. I've had to send back 2 revolvers over many years. One had bunches of rust inside the cylinder frame window; no pic's shown of that area. Another frame had a really bad day at the S&W factory; should never have been shipped and simply was not repairable. A couple others had mechanical issues that were resolved when seller accepted a reasonable mostly parts-only solution.
 
Welded frame. Please see previous post.

I'm glad he was able to weld it for you, maxfam!

Tony does good work and it looks like he got good penetration of the weld.

The 659 is a fun gun to shoot.

It was the 1st S&W semi-auto and 1st 9mm that I ever fired, and that was back in the '80s.

I had been doing a lot of shooting with my 629 at the time and when I shot the 659, it felt like shooting 22s!

Many years later, I finally got one.

I like mine!

John
 
It should now be good to go. Change the recoil spring frequently, like every 4000 rounds. Use a good spring, either genuine S&W or Wolff. Factory rating is 14 pounds and that is sufficient, especially with standard pressure ammo.
 

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