Lead ban

[Racer X]

This all just seems so crazy. I like to shoot, but gave up hunting in 1981. If people did not hunt for a few years, and animal populations exploded, States would be begging people to hunt.

How much lead does a deer hunter put into the environment anyway?

Way more lead ends up in the environment from lead tire weights being thrown from the rims I'll bet, than from hunters.

Now target shooting is a far far larger volume than hunters' projectiles.

 

[Dave Lively]

Now target shooting is a far far larger volume than hunters' projectiles.

The gun club I shoot at had a company come out to remove the build up of spent bullets that might cause ricochets from the backstops. As I recall they removed 70 tons of lead.

The club actually made money instead of having to pay. The company resold the lead and after a threshold was hit split the proceeds with the club. And the rebuilt the backstops too.

It took 35 years to build up that much lead but that is indeed far, far more lead than hunting would generate.

 

[rosewood]

Way more lead ends up in the environment from lead tire weights being thrown from the rims I'll bet, than from hunters.

I think those lib states have already banned those and most other states have been phasing them out. Seems all I find lately are Zn.

I want to see the study that proves the lead from bullets is a issue with the environment other than another one of those feel good laws.

Rosewood

 

[NYlakesider]

Has, places like Buds and Target Sports would not ship ammo to NY if it was illegal.

NYC is a different story.

There are very many outfits that will ship to NY state..

 

[mauser9]

Bit concerning for sure. Especially when the law extends to banning lead shot for Upland game. Being forced to use steel shot loads in older Full Choke shotgun barrels will render some guns useless as far as causing a barrel bulge from the use of steel shot. Guess one could use Bismuth but the cost is really up there!

 

[Narragansett]

The gun club I shoot at had a company come out to remove the build up of spent bullets that might cause ricochets from the backstops. As I recall they removed 70 tons of lead.

The club actually made money instead of having to pay. The company resold the lead and after a threshold was hit split the proceeds with the club. And the rebuilt the backstops too.

It took 35 years to build up that much lead but that is indeed far, far more lead than hunting would generate.

Lead at gun clubs goes into an embankment, and is easily reclaimed.
When I was president at the Hartford Gun Club in CT, we had 12 trap fields and 8 skeet fields. Every so many years, we had a company come in, remove the top 6" of dirt where the shot fell, and run it through a centrifuge, reclaim the lead and then spread the dirt back onto the field. Our share of the take was about 40K, and that was when shot was 8.00/bag, and new shells could be had for 3.50 a box. I am sure it is an ongoing process, and nets considerable more money now

 

[Narragansett]

Bit concerning for sure. Especially when the law extends to banning lead shot for Upland game. Being forced to use steel shot loads in older Full Choke shotgun barrels will render some guns useless as far as causing a barrel bulge from the use of steel shot. Guess one could use Bismuth but the cost is really up there!

Steel shot does not compress like lead and will stretch your fixed choke guns for sure.

 

[Narragansett]

I think those lib states have already banned those and most other states have been phasing them out. Seems all I find lately are Zn.

I want to see the study that proves the lead from bullets is a issue with the environment other than another one of those feel good laws.

Rosewood

You will never see the study. This is what closed the Remington Gun Club in Lordship, CT. The shot was falling into the ocean at a depth of 60 feet, and the state was worried about ducks ingesting lead. To my knowledge, ducks do not dive 60 feet to forage on the bottom of the ocean. Gun clubs in CT, tried to get info from the state, and got nothing. A moot point anyway, Remington wanted out of CT, and did not squawk at all. They just closed up shop. Closed the club, ammo plant and shot tower, and moved down south. That is why since 1987, I have bought no Remington products. The gun clubs of CT, collectively put money in a legal fund for Remington to fight this. It was a considerable amount. Never even a thank you

 

[NYlakesider]

You will never see the study. This is what closed the Remington Gun Club in Lordship, CT. The shot was falling into the ocean at a depth of 60 feet, and the state was worried about ducks ingesting lead. To my knowledge, ducks do not dive 60 feet to forage on the bottom of the ocean. Gun clubs in CT, tried to get info from the state, and got nothing. A moot point anyway, Remington wanted out of CT, and did not squawk at all. They just closed up shop. Closed the club, ammo plant and shot tower, and moved down south. That is why since 1987, I have bought no Remington products. The gun clubs of CT, collectively put money in a legal fund for Remington to fight this. It was a considerable amount. Never even a thank you

I remember that, I shot at that club in the 70s!. I was shooting 4 gauge NSSA back then. That was a very nice club!

 

[WCCPHD]

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