Found a local shop with some stock...$0.14 to $0.15 per. They had about 10,000 or 12,000 on the shelf..
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photoman
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I'll find another hobby before I pay $150 for a box of primers.
That comes with a free meal card for the Outback, right ?
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Do they kiss you first?
DWalt
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What a great deal! I did not know Elon Musk was a reloader.
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No it's not a great deal but it's still cheaper than buying range ammo off the shelf and allows you to taylor your loads as you wish. If I didn't already have some primers on hand I think I'd jump at $150 per 1,000 and chootem.
In the good times I paid $.032 per primer. I wont stop shooting for an extra dime per shot, if I was desperate. I certainly will NOT stock up st those prices though. Every presidential election we go through this. However covid seems to have made this silliness stay longer.
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There are four primer manufacturers in the USA: Olin (Winchester), CCI, Remington, and Federal. The three latter companies are all subsidiaries of Vista Outdoors.
They (Vista) are not going to let these three companies start competing with each other. Their output is being overwhelmingly diverted to overpriced factory ammo.
Vista Outdoor is not your friend. They don't care about reloading. You will not find a Vernon Speer, Fred Huntington, or Joyce Hornady on their Board of Directors. Their subsidiary holdings cover a vast array of outdoor products, a lot of which have nothing to do with guns or shooting.
Their stock trades on the NYSE under the name VSTO. It is a fairly volatile stock, varying in price over the last five years from under $10 to over $50 a share. The value of the stock also uncannily parallels the national tenor regarding gun control. Look at the attached chart and compare the stock value over the past few years compared to the rhetoric coming out of Washington D.C. When things look bad for American gun owners, they look great for Vista Outdoor and their shareholders.
Share prices right now are about $36 a share. Market forecasters predict this price will rise to at least $60, perhaps $70 within the next year.
That should tell you a lot!
Like, primer prices won't be coming down as long as Vista can play puppet master with the market.
Hopefully, the talk of a new primer manufacturer in Texas will come to be realized by 2023.
They (Vista) are not going to let these three companies start competing with each other. Their output is being overwhelmingly diverted to overpriced factory ammo.
Vista Outdoor is not your friend. They don't care about reloading. You will not find a Vernon Speer, Fred Huntington, or Joyce Hornady on their Board of Directors. Their subsidiary holdings cover a vast array of outdoor products, a lot of which have nothing to do with guns or shooting.
Their stock trades on the NYSE under the name VSTO. It is a fairly volatile stock, varying in price over the last five years from under $10 to over $50 a share. The value of the stock also uncannily parallels the national tenor regarding gun control. Look at the attached chart and compare the stock value over the past few years compared to the rhetoric coming out of Washington D.C. When things look bad for American gun owners, they look great for Vista Outdoor and their shareholders.
Share prices right now are about $36 a share. Market forecasters predict this price will rise to at least $60, perhaps $70 within the next year.
That should tell you a lot!
Like, primer prices won't be coming down as long as Vista can play puppet master with the market.
Hopefully, the talk of a new primer manufacturer in Texas will come to be realized by 2023.
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Seeing as how we do not mine metals nor manufacture chemicals or anything else like we did 50 years ago, I'd say that getting all the materials imported in a timely fashion has become a limiting factor in production of primers and just about everything else.
After reading their corporate profile I will go out of my way to not use any of their holdings.
D I T T O !
If the gun/shooting industry wants to screw things up, all they (people like this $150/1000 guy) have to do is keep doing what they're doing, maybe expand on it a little bit, and pretty soon all but the most diehard among us will drift away. The only weapon we have is NOT to pay their stupid prices. 
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Incorrect. 68% of their sales come from their Shooting Sports category, and 32% from Outdoor Products which is what they call everything else.
It seems somewhat contradictory to state the share price follows the gun market on the one hand, yet claim most of their business has nothing to do with the Shooting Sports.
Yes, the old guard is long gone. They died, what can I say. Vista owns the Alliant Powder, RCBS, and Speer brands. Hard to believe they are willing to just toss those brands by giving up on the reloading segments.
What passes for our free market should be along eventually and increase supply. It won't happen until the supply chain opens up. There's any number of possible reasons (or a combination thereof) primer prices are so high. But until the factories that produce them can get back to running at capacity prices will be high.
Any manufacturer will tell you that cost per unit skyrockets as production falls. But the reverse is also true. In the real world it's not possible to run significantly below capacity and just make up for it with higher prices. The revenue per unit goes up but not as fast as the costs. I've seen many, many try it. None succeeded.
In fact, it's entirely possible (though not most likely) that lack of materials and labor has done just that. It could be that these current prices do actually represent a large increase in manufacturing costs. Maybe those reloaders that purchase at these prices are actually saving the industry from just shutting down! OK I admit that's a bit of a stretch.
If they are running flat-out and this is all due to a huge surge in demand then eventually the supply will rise to meet demand. Nobody wants to leave money on the table.
In reality it's probably a little bit of both. Production has been curtailed a bit, and demand is up. But things are getting better slowly.
Just 15 months ago Lee Loaders were selling for crazy prices. Now they are $40 or less.
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If you gotta have them you gotta have them but if you don't just keep using from your stockpile even if it hurts to see that pile get smaller. Another thought might be to horse trade a firearm that you don't use or particularly like for primers.
I disagree with most everything you said. Remington went bankrupt, that's why they are now part of Vista. In 2008 when Obama was elected S&W stock quadrupled, but didn't last all that long. They can't just double their production overnight like their stock price did. I have no idea what wholesale prices are from the manufacturers but I don't think anyone else does either. They have undoubtably gone up; labor shortage, raw material costs, shipping, energy. The retail dealers are the ones that are setting the prices, strictly up to them and what they think the market will bear. But you can't really blame them, they're just trying to survive.Take a small shop, say they used to make a thousand a month on primer sales, but they've been thru this before so they know they may not get any more inventory for the next six months, or more. So what would you do, sell the rest of your inventory at $30/m and cut your paycheck or jack up the price to $80, or more, so you can pay the rent and feed your family?
Our current situation; politics, pandemics, new gun owners and skyrocketing gun sales, (relate back to politics), huge demand for ammo and components and government interference. What it is not is corporations desire to rule the world.
Our current situation; politics, pandemics, new gun owners and skyrocketing gun sales, (relate back to politics), huge demand for ammo and components and government interference. What it is not is corporations desire to rule the world.
Well the way it seems right at this point is the bottom end for primer prices is at 70-75 dollars per 1000...Mostare higher. Cost for raw materials has approx doubled as has per hour wages for employees (reg time +OT) Then add inflation for shipping costs (man-dealer). I am predicting even when they catch up the price of components will stay at the 70-80 dollar range for primers anyway. Powder prices may drop a little but not much. Also don't forget add a little more for taxes because of the increased cost. If you paid 35 before this all happened and the price goes to 70...double sales tax. Shipping charges if you buy online will also rise as will hazmat fees. Not much help I know...but figure it out yourself. I dislike it too. Just trying to be realistic
Two primer companies are not selling in the US. Wolf / Tula (Russian) primers and ammo are not imported now because of US government sanctions. Gensia (?) primers (Serbia / Bosnia) were shut down by their government because of internal corporate corruption.
This did not do reloaders any favors. The primer "User" chain is fairly short: 1] Military (government) ammo production, 2] commercial ammo production, 3] excess inventory to consumer/reloader market. #1 and#2 have taken the domestic primer market.
I am fortunate to have traded primers in excess for primers I needed. Four lesser surgeries drastically curbed my shooting. My primer supply will last at least until 22 RF has more reasonable prices. At 74, both shoulders repaired surgically, makes me a believer in 22 LR. I don't have to pickup brass, reload brass or change targets at 200 yards.
In 1974 I was gifted a Lee 30-06 Loader, that became RCBS reloading equipment. I don't plan on buying any caliber Lee Loader for $150 +.
This did not do reloaders any favors. The primer "User" chain is fairly short: 1] Military (government) ammo production, 2] commercial ammo production, 3] excess inventory to consumer/reloader market. #1 and#2 have taken the domestic primer market.
I am fortunate to have traded primers in excess for primers I needed. Four lesser surgeries drastically curbed my shooting. My primer supply will last at least until 22 RF has more reasonable prices. At 74, both shoulders repaired surgically, makes me a believer in 22 LR. I don't have to pickup brass, reload brass or change targets at 200 yards.
In 1974 I was gifted a Lee 30-06 Loader, that became RCBS reloading equipment. I don't plan on buying any caliber Lee Loader for $150 +.
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A short time ago today I put 2 x1000 SPP in my cart at real not scammer online seller that were listed as available but a few seconds later in checkout my cart was empty and the status change from available to out of stock.
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I don't know anything, so whatever I say is just speculation. So, don't take my words as gospel.
Primers will level out at $45 - $50 a 1000. But 2 things have to happen first.
All the people buying at $150 have to stop it. As long as there is demand with low supply, there is no reason to cut prices.
Secondly, the politics need to swing back the other way.
Both of these things WILL happen, like just in the past, it's just a matter of how long we all want to wait.
Primers will level out at $45 - $50 a 1000. But 2 things have to happen first.
All the people buying at $150 have to stop it. As long as there is demand with low supply, there is no reason to cut prices.
Secondly, the politics need to swing back the other way.
Both of these things WILL happen, like just in the past, it's just a matter of how long we all want to wait.
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Whatever the excuse of the day is, primers are not being made to meet the demand. I guarantee the companies are making a killing off these high prices. We are in the third year of this. No excuse at this point. I know there are issues at hand but I'm not having a problem getting any other product with this level of difficulty. And I'm tired of hearing about the new shooters. New shooters bought a box or two and that's it. Gun prices are dropping so there's no huge amount of new shooters anymore.
I have enough to last me a few years at my rate but I don't like continuing to see empty shelves. Enough, already. If this is the end of the reloading industry then just say so and stop with the excuses.
I have enough to last me a few years at my rate but I don't like continuing to see empty shelves. Enough, already. If this is the end of the reloading industry then just say so and stop with the excuses.
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well, between recent purchases at $150/1000, some at $60/1000 and some small purchases at $20/100, Some trading and some older stock, my average cost for a little over 10,000 primers if probably about $0.10.
with bullets running about 10 cents and my average primer cost the same, loaded ammo is about 25 cents per round. How many of us are still buying ammo for $12.50 a box.
Between loaded ammo and components, I have enough now to last me probably 10 years. By then $150/1000 will probably seem a bargain.
with bullets running about 10 cents and my average primer cost the same, loaded ammo is about 25 cents per round. How many of us are still buying ammo for $12.50 a box.
Between loaded ammo and components, I have enough now to last me probably 10 years. By then $150/1000 will probably seem a bargain.
