Fellow 696 owners

tackdrvr

Member
Joined
Jan 29, 2005
Messages
93
Reaction score
25
Hi everyone, hope this post finds you healthy, happy and with little or no lower back pain. I apologize in advance for what is sure to be a long and rambling post. In the end, I hope it is helpful and enlightening to my fellow 696 owner/shooters.
So I talked to S&W customer service today and confirmed what I knew to be true; You should not be able to put .44 magnum ammo in a 696 and close the cylinder..... However, I CAN put .44 magnum ammo in my 696, close the cylinder and I'm sure if I pulled the trigger, she would go off.
Now, the rest of the story... I recently stumbled upon a 624 in great shape at a more than reasonable price and so I snatched it up at a speed that would make even some of you hardened S&W accumulators proud!!!! A 624 :-)
As is my habit, I immediately read everything SCSW had to say about it and then trolled the internet for more info.
Of course, it didn't take long to turn up the info on 624 cylinder problems and the safety recall over them. Seems as though there are two schools of thought here;
1. They got some stock for cylinders that were improperly heat-treated
2. They got some cylinders bored incorrectly and would allow .44 mag to fit

Of course, my new 624 is within the serial number range of the potential problem guns. I grabbed up some factory .44 mag rounds and tried them in the 624. No joy, they stuck out just like you would expect and no way are you closing the cylinder with those magnum rounds in it.

While trying that experiment, my feeble memory began to stir. Now mind you, my memory is the second shortest thing about me...and for you sickos, my patience is the actual shortest thing about me... but I digress.

What I recalled was the end of a range session from several years ago, right after I acquired the 696. I was shooting my 696 and a 4" 29 I have. I got down to the last 5 range rounds and I loaded them up in the 696. I felt the first two as being significantly stouter than normal and the last 3 pretty normal.
Imagine my surprise when I saw I had fired two .44 mag rounds in that last session. These were all my reloads and the mags were very mildly loaded for magnums. They might not have even exceeded a really hot .44 Spl.
I was suitably embarrassed for having done something stupid and thankful that there were no bad outcomes.
I suppose in the back of my mind there was the question of putting a .44mag in a .44 Spl but for the most part, it has been forgotten about until this 624 stirred things up.
So last night I tried several factory magnum loads and any or all of them will go in my 696.
When I talked to S&W customer service, they had no knowledge of any problems with the 696 model or the 696 cylinders specifically. Nor has there been any safety recall on the 696. They did hint that a new model 69 could be a replacement for me. NO THANKS.
So if it wouldn't be too much trouble, and for curiosity's sake. How about some of you guys with 696's check them out. Will your 696 accept .44 Magnum Ammo?? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks in advance and I appreciate all who were able to power through all that.
Oh yeah, in no way am I advocating for shooting .44 magnums in a 696. I did it once as a mistake that I won't let happen again. Be safe!
 
Register to hide this ad
I would also not advocate to shoot .44 Magnums in a 696 or 624.

At the same time, it would defy most streamlined manufacturing processes for them to use steel that is weaker in these guns.

Same goes for K-frame .38's. I believe with all my heart that if you took a modern Model 10 or 15 and fed it handloads that sent a 158gr jacketed bullet at 1,200 fps and ran 35kpsi, the cylinder would be 100% perfectly fine and good to go. I don't for one minute believe that S&W did anything different to Model 13 and 19 cylinders that they did not do to 10 and 15 cylinders.

It goes against all good sense and all teaching to do the above exercises, but I don't believe the mistake you made will EVER cause you issue down the road.

To be clear — I have no proof whatsoever. I believe Occum's Razor has this one covered. YMMV and all those other disclaimers.
 
Interesting. When I get back from this week's mesquite and pig killin' trip I'll check my 696. I know my 624s are good but never thought to check the 696 or any of my other 44 Specials. Thanks for sharing the info.

Jeff
SWCA #1457
 
Hi everyone, hope this post finds you healthy, happy and with little or no lower back pain. I apologize in advance for what is sure to be a long and rambling post. In the end, I hope it is helpful and enlightening to my fellow 696 owner/shooters.
So I talked to S&W customer service today and confirmed what I knew to be true; You should not be able to put .44 magnum ammo in a 696 and close the cylinder..... However, I CAN put .44 magnum ammo in my 696, close the cylinder and I'm sure if I pulled the trigger, she would go off.
Now, the rest of the story... I recently stumbled upon a 624 in great shape at a more than reasonable price and so I snatched it up at a speed that would make even some of you hardened S&W accumulators proud!!!! A 624 :-)
As is my habit, I immediately read everything SCSW had to say about it and then trolled the internet for more info.
Of course, it didn't take long to turn up the info on 624 cylinder problems and the safety recall over them. Seems as though there are two schools of thought here;
1. They got some stock for cylinders that were improperly heat-treated
2. They got some cylinders bored incorrectly and would allow .44 mag to fit

Of course, my new 624 is within the serial number range of the potential problem guns. I grabbed up some factory .44 mag rounds and tried them in the 624. No joy, they stuck out just like you would expect and no way are you closing the cylinder with those magnum rounds in it.

While trying that experiment, my feeble memory began to stir. Now mind you, my memory is the second shortest thing about me...and for you sickos, my patience is the actual shortest thing about me... but I digress.

What I recalled was the end of a range session from several years ago, right after I acquired the 696. I was shooting my 696 and a 4" 29 I have. I got down to the last 5 range rounds and I loaded them up in the 696. I felt the first two as being significantly stouter than normal and the last 3 pretty normal.
Imagine my surprise when I saw I had fired two .44 mag rounds in that last session. These were all my reloads and the mags were very mildly loaded for magnums. They might not have even exceeded a really hot .44 Spl.
I was suitably embarrassed for having done something stupid and thankful that there were no bad outcomes.
I suppose in the back of my mind there was the question of putting a .44mag in a .44 Spl but for the most part, it has been forgotten about until this 624 stirred things up.
So last night I tried several factory magnum loads and any or all of them will go in my 696.
When I talked to S&W customer service, they had no knowledge of any problems with the 696 model or the 696 cylinders specifically. Nor has there been any safety recall on the 696. They did hint that a new model 69 could be a replacement for me. NO THANKS.
So if it wouldn't be too much trouble, and for curiosity's sake. How about some of you guys with 696's check them out. Will your 696 accept .44 Magnum Ammo?? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks in advance and I appreciate all who were able to power through all that.
Oh yeah, in no way am I advocating for shooting .44 magnums in a 696. I did it once as a mistake that I won't let happen again. Be safe!
I have a 696 that was purchased on GB. Was delivered with a damaged cylinder that was not disclosed. After 6+ months of trying to get a refund etc, (long story but I found out GB's buyer protection plan is worthless) I took the gun to one of the most respected gunsmiths in the country. With no 696 cylinder to be found anywhere, he installed and fitted a model 69 cylinder turning the 696 into a 44 mag. Works great with 44spl and 44mag. Wound up with a 3" 69. Just fyi, the dimensions of the 2 cylinders was 100% identical except the length. If the cylinder on your 696 has just been reamed out to accept 44 mag, I would not hesitate to shoot 44 mag in it, but would have it checked out by a gunsmith first just to make sure.
 
So if it wouldn't be too much trouble, and for curiosity's sake.
How about some of you guys with 696's check them out.
Will your 696 accept .44 Magnum Ammo??

In my M396NG you can not close the cylinder with a 44 Magnum round chambered.

.
.
.

I have a 696 that was purchased on GB. Was delivered with a damaged cylinder that was not disclosed.
I took the gun to one of the most respected gunsmiths in the country. With no 696 cylinder to be found anywhere, he installed and fitted a model 69 cylinder turning the 696 into a 44 mag.
.
If the cylinder on your 696 has just been reamed out to accept 44 mag, I would not hesitate to shoot 44 mag in it, but would have it checked out by a gunsmith first just to make sure.

What knowledgeable gunsmith would convert a M696 to shoot 44 Magnums loads in it??

The cylinder isn't the problem, it's the barrel's breech, which is why S&W enhanced it in the M69.

Handloader Magazine's Brian Pearce used to (in 2007) recommend a maximum pressure of 25K psi for the 296/396/696 revolver family but lowered it to 18K psi in 2015 after further testing.

The SAAMI max for the 44 Special is 15.5K psi.

The SAAMI max for the 44 Magnum is 36K psi.

Don't try to make a 44 Magnum out of a 696.

.

From Handloader #293
.


.
.

My 396NG
.


.
.

My M69 snubbie
.


.
 
Last edited:
While at first glance my 696 ND appears to accept 44 mag ammo, but the cylinder will not close with even one round of magnum ammo in it. They just don't seat deeply enough.

I had never tried doing that until now, and would never try firing a magnum load in it. So it's nice to know it's not even possible to happen by accident.

I just lob softballs with mine anyway.
 
Last edited:
To the OP - did you purchase your 696 new?

I suppose it is possible the factory made the cylinder bores for a 696 in .44 Magnum depth, except at that time they didn't make any 5-shot .44 Magnums (and I'm guessing all the cylinder bores are machined in one manufacturing step).

So if you bought the gun used, perhaps a previous owner made .44 Magnums fit? Any visible evidence of extra machining within the bores?
 
My 696ND will NOT accept a factory .44 mag. However, the cartridge WILL seat visibly deeper than in my New Century .44 Spec.
Given the use of handloads with a heavy roll-crimp, I can see where a .44 mag MAY chamber.
IIRC, was there not some slightly shorter .44 mag brass?? Hornady made for the lever rifles??
While some of the early .44 mag research was done with pre-magnum revolvers, does anyone REALLY want to load magnum levels in ANY .44 special?
It's not really uncommon to find a 38/44 HD that's been reamed to .357. BUT .357 in a N-frame is an entirely different animal. In MOST cases though, ORIGINAL chambering is best.
 
A .44 magnum round will seat almost all the way into my 696 but not all the way and the cylinder wont close. I do wonder if a heavily crimped handload will allow for the magnum round to sit low enough for the cylinder to close and for the round to fire, I will investigate further and report my findings
 
My 696 will not close on a 250gr Keith SWC without excessive force. What I can say is I am pretty sure the only thing preventing it from closing is the undersize cylinder throat.

If that cylinder had a .431 throat I believe it would close. So, to those wondering about a heavily crimped case, I think you are correct.
 
My 696 no dash will not fully chamber a normal 44 mag.

I agree that the problem with making a magnum out of a 696 is the barrel shank is real thin. Using a model 69 cylinder would be better than reaming a 696 cylinder because that would make the extension shorter and a bit less apt to crack, But, why would you do that when 69 are both easier to come by and less valuable than a 696.

You could use a 296 or 396 cylinder in a 696. In fact I have a steel 396 cylinder in my parts pile.
 
Last edited:
My 696 ND will NOT chamber new Norma 240gr .44 Magnum.
My 624 will NOT chamber new Norma 240gr .44 Magnum.

Both WILL chamber my once fired .44 Magnum reloads w/Norma 240gr bullets.

Hmmm. Roll crimp "shortening" cases just enough to allow full chambering?
 
A 44 Mag round will fit in the chamber of mine (a -1 SN CCS8164) and the cylinder can be closed but it will not turn and the hammer can not be pulled back.

Jeff
SWCA #1457
 

Latest posts

Back
Top