New York has frozen over-New York's May Issue for Good Cause violates 2A

[GaryS]

And that is what "may issue" states do. Some set an almost impossibly high requirement for issuing a permit to make it effectively impossible.

I won't be surprised if this decision isn't released until the last day of the session in June. The Roe v. Wade controversy may well be upsetting the normal order of releasing decisions.

Both are huge decisions regarding Constitutional Law.

Add to the Constitutional carry states all the shall issue states and it is up to about 41 states where anyone allowed to possess a gun can carry without a permit or get a permit to carry.

In this sense, the delay in having this case heard has helped push the needle towards a decision that “May issue” is unconstitutional.

But the real question before the Supreme Court is much deeper:

Can the government require a person to show a special need over and above the public’s average need as a condition to receive a permit to exercise a right enshrined in the Bill of Rights.

 

[smoothshooter]

The recent school shooting has effectively spiked any attempt to force NYC to allow gun owners any additional leeway.
Could even go the opposite direction.

 

[smoothshooter]

Roberts will likely rule in the State’s favor.
He does not like being the focus of the wrath of The Left.

 

[smoothshooter]

Roberts will likely rule in the State’s favor.

 

[GaryS]

Wrong. The decision is already made and no votes will change just as the Roe leak won't change anything.

The recent school shooting has effectively spiked any attempt to force NYC to allow gun owners any additional leeway.
Could even go the opposite direction.

 

[ladder13]

Roberts will likely rule in the State’s favor.

Won’t be enough.

 

[GaryS]

I expect a 5-4 decision as Roberts tries and fails to convince the majority to seek some sort of "middle ground."

Won’t be enough.

 

[bushmaster1313]

I expect a 5-4 decision as Roberts tries and fails to convince the majority to seek some sort of "middle ground."

Justice Roberts is in a difficult position.
He was in the majority for Heller and McDonald so he will not be able to join the minority in a 5-4 decision without reversing himself.

My guess:
5 votes overturning the New York law and broadly supporting the 2A in a strong opinion by Justice Thomas.

Justice Roberts, if he does not write the decision, will seek some middle ground.

3 votes that the 2A does not protect the right of ordinary people to bear arms outside the home for self defense.

 

[bushmaster1313]

June 8 is now earliest day for a possible decision
Decisions on June 8 will be announced between 10 and 11 AM
I think there are almost 30 cases waiting to be decided between now and the end of June. No way to know which decisions will be announced on which day.

 

[marinevet]

The Second Amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Does it really matter what the Supreme Court decides?

I understand that this is a God given right............

 

[ArchAngelCD]

The Second Amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Does it really matter what the Supreme Court decides?

I understand that this is a God given right............

According to the Founding Fathers all our rights are God given. The Bill of rights was only meant to spell out and affirm those rights, not grant rights. According to the Founders they state our rights are God given because that which is given to us by God cannot be taken away by man.

 

[bushmaster1313]

According to the Founding Fathers all our rights are God given. The Bill of rights was only meant to spell out and affirm those rights, not grant rights. According to the Founders they state our rights are God given because that which is given to us by God cannot be taken away by man.

I respectfully disagree.

Although the Founding Fathers believed and proclaimed to the entire world that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, some of the rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights do not fall into this category. For example, the Right to an indictment by a Grand Jury before being held to answer for certain crimes (Fifth Amendment) and the Right to a jury trial in a civil suit with more than $20 in controversy (Seventh Amendment) help to ensure ordered Liberty, but they cannot be fairly argued to be unalienable God given rights.

Of course, many Rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights do fall into the God given category, one of the most important being the Right of the people to keep and bear arms.

In truth, the purpose of the Bill of Rights was to make it absolutely clear - for as long as our republic survives - that certain Rights are not subject to the whim of politics or even a majority vote. This is because the Founders understood that the tyranny of the majority is just as vile as a tyrant's rule. The Bill of Rights protects us against both.

 

[ladder13]

Some rulings coming out @10 am this morning.

 

[ladder13]

The Second Amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Does it really matter what the Supreme Court decides?

I understand that this is a God given right............

Nothing is more God given, outside life itself, than the right to self preservation.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I respectfully disagree.

Although the Founding Fathers believed and proclaimed to the entire world that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, some of the rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights do not fall into this category . . .

Just a minor point of parliamentary procedure, but the point to which you refer was mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, and although there are some common denominators, the signatories of that document were not all involved in the creation of the Constitution. Only six men signed both documents . . .

 

[John_M52]

OP: "On April 26, 2021 New York State froze over"

Hahahah

 

[bushmaster1313]

No decision on June 8
Next possible date is Monday June 13

 

[bushmaster1313]

Just a minor point of parliamentary procedure, but the point to which you refer was mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, and although there are some common denominators, the signatories of that document were not all involved in the creation of the Constitution. Only six men signed both documents . . .

^^^Correct

However, when the Preamble of the Constitution lists as one of its purposes: “secure the Blessings of Liberty,” with a capital “B,” I take that as an affirmation of certain unalienable Rights endowed by the Creator.

 

[Muss Muggins]

^^^Correct

However, when the Preamble of the Constitution lists as one of its purposes: “secure the Blessings of Liberty,” with a capital “B,” I take that as an affirmation of certain unalienable Rights endowed by the Creator.

Well, interpretations vary. I guess that's why we have the Supreme Court . . .

 

[bushmaster1313]

Next possible day for decision is June 15.