Safe Schools

[wood714]

I didn't want to post this in the thread about the resent school shooting, due to it turning about gun control and laws instead of the loss of so many kids.

My grand kids go to a school where all the classroom doors automatically lock once closed. Once class starts the doors lock, if a kid needs to leave the classroom the teacher has to open the door for them to get back in.

Pretty good security, but this school is taking school shootings most serious. A plus is all this only cost the school $400K. It may sound like a lot, but who can put a price on the life of a kid?

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[mckenney99]

That's a great start but the best locks on the planet, on the doors, are worthless when the doors are propped open by staff or students. As I drive around our little town, I still see doors left open and it just leaves me furious. Americans have short memories and all believe, "it can't happen here".

 

[326MOD10]

Florida has been very aggressive with school security since Parkland shooting.

I have a friend who was a school officer and the lockdown system in their school was state of the art.

They also mandate the armed security guys in addition to LEO, which I think might now be Florida law.

 

[len917]

My grandson got a suspension at his high school for opening a door for his Taco Bell delivery lunchtime

 

[Onomea]

$400K is a pittance for better school security. Good ideas in this thread.

len917, perhaps a tough lesson, your grandson being suspended for opening the door for a Taco Bell delivery, but, good for the school administration. They take security rules seriously. I would bet as his grandfather you approve of the suspension. I know I would if he were my grandkid.

 

[Rustyt1953]

Butler County, Ohio's Sheriff Richard Jones is offering free firearms training and CCL classes to school teachers and employees of the county school system.

It's where my youngest lives.

 

[tops]

Butler County, Ohio's Sheriff Richard Jones is offering free firearms training and CCL classes to school teachers and employees of the county school system.

It's where my youngest lives.

I hope the teachers and employees are taking advantage of this. Larry

 

[bigwheelzip]

Expecting to see security diligence from a building full of students and school staff is wishful thinking. Often, doors are opened for a perpetrator that simply knocks.

Standards already exist which could be used to create an improved school perimeter at a distance.

Pictured is a federal facility I worked at. The shaded square around the building is a no-man's-land of two tall barbed-wire topped fences, with a cable vehicle barrier between them, all monitored by sensors.
Ingress/egress is via the hardened security building which spans the fences at the lower right. A guard behind ballistic glass, electrically controls the doors to the security building, which can securely isolate a suspect inside.

It all gives a prison-like appearance, but it works.

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[lihpster]

One of the local grade schools in the area has a large open area of grass for the kids to play. At the back corner it borders a City park that has an entrance on another street. There's not even a fence separating the two. It's in the wealthiest city in the state. School security is a joke. There's a fence to keep people out of the yard debris recycling area, but not around the schools. Grass clippings get more protection than students.

 

[coltle6920]

We have better security systems in our homes and they're not complicated in how they work. (Simplisafe.. Arlo.. Blink..)

Place motion sensor activated cameras around the perimeter of the school with any alert being sent to a Command Center and even to an SRO's handheld device. A human can't be in all places at once but can at least go immediately to where there's a need. A false alarm has to be preferable to hearing shots fired.

I'm on the fence regarding the arming of teachers especially with the caliber of teachers in our schools now. If we can't trust them to properly educate our children why would we put a firearm in their hands?

 

[jeffrefrig]

When I retired from the Pittsburgh Public Schools they all had security cameras all over the buildings, inside & out, all doors were locked, we needed ID cards to get in, and the kids entered the same doors with metal detectors and all the classroom doors were locked. That was over two years ago. Federal money paid for most of it. It was a pain in the butt to work in the buildings but I guess it was for the better.

 

[326MOD10]

Since arming teachers came up if any of you are familiar with TDI Ohio they have been very proactive in training to arm teachers.

They have a program called FASTER that trains and has a fairly decent level of proficiency to be certified. Not a rubber stamp and not all pass.

They worked hard to get approval for program in Ohio and recently took it to another State but I don't recall which one but AZ sticks in my mind.

I am not from Ohio but believe TDI to be a top notch forward thinker in their training platforms.

 

[UncleEd]

Butler County, Ohio's Sheriff Richard Jones is offering free firearms training and CCL classes to school teachers and employees of the county school system.
.

Good, then the sheriff won't have
to have 150 LEOs standing around
outside doing nothing while an
attacker is inside being challenged
by the Teacher of the Month.

 

[ExRanger714]

"but who can put a price on the life of a kid?" from above.

Any number of gun manufacturers is the answer. They even put their estimation of the price of that kids life on the price tag of the gun or the share price of their stock.

Thank goodness we can now lay two myths to rest. First, in April, the SCOTUS ruled police were not required to protect you if they don't want to and, more recently, one store security guard (Buffalo shooting) couldn't stop one bad guy with a gun and 19 good guys with guns refused to stop a bad guy with a gun in Texas.

 

[Pisgah]

Local schools here have one resource officer per 2 schools -- and they are guys who for one reason or another are not fit for patrol duty, or even serving civil court papers. Most are a year or two from retirement, 100 pounds overweight, and are great playing Officer Friendly, but a security force they are not, in any way, shape or fashion.

 

[ColbyBruce]

My daughter taught Special Ed for twelve years; however, yesterday was her last day. She did not renew her contract, choosing to focus on her family for a while. Frankly, my wife and I are relieved.

 

[Breakaway500]

There were no school shootings when the kids were learning from home. Just saying..

 

[Heinz]

I think upgraded alarm systems as mentioned in post 4 and 12 and 13 offer a positive approach. No one needs to be casually walking in and out of school buildings.

Each classroom could have a door lock and camera, monitored in the main reception area. When a door is unlocked, an alert goes off. Also there could be cameras in every classroom. These should probably only come on when triggered for a security reason but they would let responders know what kind of threat was going on.
I think the ability to notify a response team immediately of a breach, and the ability to track and locate the intruder would be very helpful to responders. A good system would also deter some of the bullying and other bad behaviors that can go on in the dark corners of a school building.

 

[OLDSTER]

"Talking head" rep. of the police departments' complete incompetence. This morning on the news. One of the lame excuses he explained is the police, out in the hallway for over 1/2 hour, had to wait for the key. WAIT FOR THE KEY !!!!!!!!!. Is he kidding ?? KNOCK THE DAMN DOOR DOWN.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Lots of talk about the safety of our children but not much action. We can send billions in aid but we can't help our own kids? Just goes to show that our priorities are wrong.

It's always the same argument. Do away with guns. Makes them feel good when they spend millions lobbying for and trying to pass "common sense" gun laws. How many schools could those millions secure? Meanwhile kids are still being killed.

As a 30 year locksmith I've been to countless schools. And unfortunately most are not secure. Administrators don't want children to feel as if they were in a prison. But it doesn't have to be that way. Products exist to properly secure doors effectively. And it doesn't cost as much as you think.

It's not like the movies. Breaching a steel door with a commercial grade lock is not easy.

Because I know what I know, I get frustrated and pissed off every time this happens because it could have been prevented so easily.