Talk about reasons to buy a gun Update on Judge post 28

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A while back there was a thread about 410 shotguns. Some one brought up the Yildiz .410 Side-By-Side and I liked it. But could not find it anywhere but Academy and none of those anywhere close to here. Looked around on all the online sites and nothing really rung my bell for what I was willing to pay. I see grouse and pheasants at close range in the places I hunt deer and elk and they make great camp fodder. A small compact 410 would be handy.

Anyway I was in a pawnshop I visit regularly and there is one of those stupid Taurus Judges with a 6" barrel. My brain starts to go hey that would work. I see birds closer than 15 yds all the time. Mountain grouse regularly run along in front of me never getting far ahead or very seldom flying. I ask for best price. Guy checks book and says $365. I hesitate say maybe later. I leave, get in car, start it up, shut it off go inside and buy it. Then find that 410 shells are hard to find right now.

As everyone knows I am a tinkerer. I have heard these pattern poorly and part of it is the rifling spinning the shot load. I have found a 3" barrel for $50. Run a reamer down it to just remove the rifling then make and harden a button to press though it to give it shallow rifling with say a 1 in a 100" twist. There is no requirement on either depth of rifling or rate of twist, just can be a smooth bore, It won't be.
 
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Have you tried patterning your (gasp!) Taurus yet?
 
You got it good tripping over grouse and quail like that. Would like to see pictures.
 
When we were young kids we killed mountain grouse with rocks. I have have got a couple of sharptails too using rocks. Mountain grouse, spruce grouse especially tend to just run down the trail or go in a small tree and just sit there. They seldom fly far or high. In fact they seldom even fly. With a 12 gauge thee problem is getting them far enough a way so you don't destroy them. I have shot a few of them with a 22 pistol which is legal here.


Season Dates Bag Limit Additional Information
Mountain Grouse
Blue, Ruffed and Franklin’s Grouse may be taken with a shotgun not larger than a 10 gauge; a long, recurve or compound
bow and arrow; a crossbow; a firearm; or air rifle: mountain grouse may be taken with an .177 caliber air rifle shooting a
performance ballistic alloy pellet at least 1250 feet per second as specified by the manufacturer or with an .22 caliber air rifle
shooting a performance ballistic alloy pellet at least 950 feet per second as specified by the manufacturer. All other means
of taking are prohibited

I guess technically rocks and sticks are illegal now.
 
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Seems back-to-front to me: I usually have to go buy a gun to use the ammo I've gathered over time.
 
Have you tried patterning your (gasp!) Taurus yet?

I do plan to pattern the thing with the barrel that is on it, but with the
6 1/2" barrel it is over 13" long over all which isn't very handy. Be about like lugging around an 8 3/8" N frame. Dumping 3 1/2" of barrel would help make it more portable and if I miss with an 1 oz of shot at 15-20 yards with the same sight radius as a 5" gun I should not be shooting anything with a hand gun. It isn't like I can't put the 6 1/2" barrel back on. The thing don't even have a front lug on the barrel so once I know what threads it has I can make about any barrel I want. I have several pieces of 45 cal barrel blank and a lathe. I have 8 45 colts so I will not be looking at the Taurus for shooting those.
 
Boring it out to smoothbore would make it illegal.
Boring it out to smoothbore and putting straight rifling inside-I don’t know.
Do not know if Federal law requires spiral rifling or not. I’m guessing they do.
Others who know will chime in shortly.
 
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Boring it out to smoothbore would make it illegal.
Boring it out to smoothbore and putting straight rifling inside-I don’t know.
Do not know if Federal requires spiral rifling or not.
I’m guessing the rifling must make a spiral. But what twist?
Others who know will chime in shortly.
 
A few years ago my brother and I tried out our "snake guns" on 1 liter water bottles at 10 feet during deer season in MS. His was a 3" Judge with 21/2" .410 #9. Mine was a Ruger Vaquero 5 1/2 .45 Colt with my handloads topped with a Speer capsule filled with #7 1/2. If they had been snakes he'd a have been better off with a rock. I think one pellet penetrated. Mine had a satisfying (to me at least) pattern. Don't know if a copperhead is as tough as a water bottle.

I would think a revolver with a rifled barrel would be legal and a revolver without a barrel would be legal and a revolver with a rifled barrel again would be legal again.
 
Sounds like a cool project to me. Two-groove, shallow rifling with a 1 in 36” twist would be legal and not fling shot every which-a-way.
 
Just having the holster or ammo gives me a reason to buy a gun? lol
 
I suppose someone has to ask, so I will. Have you considered mounting a partridge front sight?

No those partridge are pretty flighty a grouse rib is what I am thinking.

Actually it has a dovetailed red tube that should work.

There is absolutely no law I can find in regards to how deep or how many lands and grooves the rifling has to be or the twist rate. I do not believe there is even a law that stated the barrel bore need to be smaller than the caliber. Look at the 45 colts with .458 throats and .452 rifling. .Would firing a 22 jet in a 357 be a felony? I doubt it.

keep in mind the twist rate on the 45-90 was 1 in 32 and some 45 cal muzzle loader barrels for balls used 1-72. A Some early guns were slower. I can give it a 1 in 100 twist in fact making it perfectly straight would be difficult.

Game Warden '' may I see your gun"? Me, "may I see you search warrant?" There is no magazine capacity restrictions on upland birds in Montana. Actually I would let him look. Think he is going to try to accurately measure the twist rate on a 3" barrel or even look down it?

No jury anywhere near here would convict you for shooting grouse with a slow twist rate. If charged for something so ignorant the only words they would hear from me are lawyer and jury
 
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Way back when .... I bought one of the first Thompson Contenders in .410 /45 Long Colt with screw on outside choke. I thought it would be just the thing for squirrels ---- NOPE :( I found out I was just annoying squirrels with it. It wouldn't even break a glass milk bottle at 15 yards. I hate to think of all the people who have a .410 handgun loaded with pellets and think they have a good home defense weapon. They would be better off throwing it at the head of an intruder.
 
Way back when .... I bought one of the first Thompson Contenders in .410 /45 Long Colt with screw on outside choke. I thought it would be just the thing for squirrels ---- NOPE :( I found out I was just annoying squirrels with it. It wouldn't even break a glass milk bottle at 15 yards. I hate to think of all the people who have a .410 handgun loaded with pellets and think they have a good home defense weapon. They would be better off throwing it at the head of an intruder.
Interesting. In the early seventies, I had a T/C Contender in .44 Mag/.44 Hot Shot, produced shortly after ATF's visit to T/C concerning the .45/.410. The .44, of course, came with a shot straightener which clamped onto the muzzle when using shot loads. I don't recall having patterned it, but I did once, out on the water, fire one at a water moccasin at fairly close range. Witnesses said it cut him in half.
 
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