USGI M1 Carbine acquisition - Quality Hardware

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I've been wheeling and dealing in USGI M1 carbines for about 30 years or so. Back in the 1990's, what I think was the golden age for these and C&R firearms in general, I was always on the hunt for the next M1 carbine for my collection. In fact, I found the hunt to be as much or more fun than the actual acquisition.

I've backed way off in the past 10 years or so, in part because USGI M1 carbines have really skyrocketed in price. I recall a quote from Bruce Canfield about M1 carbines which went something like, "you can't really pay too much for a carbine, but you might pay too soon." I didn't quite understand what he meant at the time, but I eventually figured it out. Case in point, back when nice carbines were selling in the $250 range I bought one for $450. It was a really nice Winchester and I was very hesitant about buying it because it was close to double the going rate at the time. It finally hit me that I just paid $450 too soon, but today I could easily sell that Winchester for over $2500.

So, although I don't actively hunt for them, I still occasionally run across a lead or a tip that I might follow up on. In this case, I received a call from a perfect stranger who was referenced to me by a mutual friend. He said he was liquidating his gun collection and had a nice M1 carbine he wanted to sell to someone who appreciated them and my name came up. It peaked my interest so I met with the guy and ended up making the deal.

The story is this is one of the 120K or so M1 carbines the DCM sold to NRA members back in 1964. That's what caught my attention in the conversation with the guy because I've bought a couple of other "NRA" guns through the years and they have always been in very fine condition. It proved to be the case with this one as well.

The stock is marked with arsenal rebuild marks dated 1962, so it was pretty fresh out of rebuild when released in 1964. Having gone through the rebuild it has the standard post war upgrades including adjustable rear sites, barrel band with bayonet lug, flip safety, and round bolt.

Although Quality Hardware was a prime contractor for war built USGI carbines, they only manufactured one component themselves, the receiver, and even some of them they subcontracted out. Therefore, since they didn't make any of their own barrels you'll always find a Quality Hardware M1 carbine with another maker's barrel. This one has a very nice Underwood barrel dated January of 1944. Even though the barrel is marked, you can always readily identify an Underwood barrel because it has machine marks that almost look like very fine threads. Other makers barrels were machined with a smooth finish.

The guy said he'd never fired the carbine since he bought it in 1964, and I doubt it had been fired since the rebuild in 1962 because upon inspection I found an oil soaked barrel length swizzle stick still inside. When I pulled it out the guy said he had never noticed that in there.

There is not a ding or dent on the stock anywhere, it's in very nice condition. Sling and 1944 dated magazine pouch came along with the deal.


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I just wanted to comment to make you feel better. I started buying surplus mil firearms 30+ years ago. I bought quite a few excellent condition M1 carbines with slings and the most I paid was $99 with the exception of an all original excellent condition paratrooper for $400. I kept them for twenty plus years and cashed in.

I have a receipt and paperwork for a DCM 1911 WWI issue 1911 in excellent condition that I owned. I forgot I had they paperwork and forgot to include it when we n I sold the gun. It to was almost new in convention. I can’t remember what I sold it for ten years ago but it was substantially more than what I paid. Don’t remember the exact amount I paid but the original receipt was $25. I got in on this stuff when the prices were rock bottom and plenty of high quality guns were out there and easy to find. I only wish I’d kept my guns a few more years as I’d really hit the lottery. I think at the time though I made about 10 times what I paid and was very happy to get it.
 
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Faulkner, that is a good looking carbine. I am new to the game and I hope you're right about just buying them too soon. I was just going to post about the carbine I bought last weekend at the Missouri Valley Collectors show. It is a National Postal Meter with a Rock ola barrel. It has all the early features with no import or rework stamps on it. The stock is marked NPM and is very clean. It shows very little signs of use and had a few remnants of cosmoline around the flip sight and in the trigger group. It dates to 1943. I apologize for stepping on your thread.

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Faulkner, that is a good looking carbine. I am new to the game and I hope you're right about just buying them too soon. I was just going to post about the carbine I bought last weekend at the Missouri Valley Collectors show. It is a National Postal Meter with a Rock ola barrel. It has all the early features with no import or rework stamps on it. The stock is marked NPM and is very clean. It shows very little signs of use and had a few remnants of cosmoline around the flip sight and in the trigger group. It dates to 1943. I apologize for stepping on your thread.

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Very nice looking carbine, I wish I could get my hands on it for a 5 minute inspection.

Being new to the game I highly recommend a small investment into this book, you'll be glad you did; U.S. M1 Carbines, Wartime Production, 8th Edition by Craig Riesch
 
My one and only M1 Carbine is also a Quality Hardware, and also sports an Underwood barrel from 1944. It has a few dings and dents, some which I put on it. I think I paid $350, back in the day, and felt like I had paid too much. If only I knew, I would have looked for a few more at that price.
 
1964 DCM Firearm prices:
1. 1903A3 Rifles - $14.50 plus $2.00 for Railway Express shipping
2. M1 .30 Carbines - $20.00 plus $2.00 for Railway Express shipping
3. Model 1911 / 1911A1 .45 Pistols - $17.00 plus $2.00 for Railway Express shipping
4. M1 Garand Rifles - $90.00 plus $2.00 for Railway Express Shipping

*** #4 price is a guess as I never had the money for a Garand.
 
1964 DCM Firearm prices:
1. 1903A3 Rifles - $14.50 plus $2.00 for Railway Express shipping
2. M1 .30 Carbines - $20.00 plus $2.00 for Railway Express shipping
3. Model 1911 / 1911A1 .45 Pistols - $17.00 plus $2.00 for Railway Express shipping
4. M1 Garand Rifles - $90.00 plus $2.00 for Railway Express Shipping

*** #4 price is a guess as I never had the money for a Garand.

Plus I believe they were restricted to one of each per person.
 
Plus I believe they were restricted to one of each per person.

I bought two 03A3s. Both appeared to be unused, one had a 4-groove barrel, the other had a 6-groove barrel with a Type C stock. Sadly I sold both within about five years. Big mistake. I also bought a .45, Union Switch & Signal, like new, I sold that to a friend a few years later. I had a friend who got a like-new DCM 03A4. He didn’t like it because it had no sights and he sold it right away. Lots of stupidity was rampant back then.
 
The Army's San Antonio Arsenal formerly here in town was kept busy after WWII rebuilding and updating carbines. I once knew a guy here in town who had worked there back then. He told me they would "Can" 20 completed carbines for long-term storage. I have never seen one of those metal storage cans. Has anyone? Or does anyone have a picture of one? A storage can would make an unusual item for a serious carbine collector, even better if it were unopened. As typical for military rebuilds, there was no attempt to keep original parts together, so most all of the postwar rebuilds are mix and match conglomerations. And I believe nearly all were given new wood.

The SA Arsenal was located just South of downtown San Antonio. The buildings remain, now used as the HQ of H-E-B, the large Texas supermarket chain.

When I was in high school, the Principal had spent the war working at the Inland Carbine plant in Dayton. He used to mention that occasionally. I wish I had asked him more questions about it, and what he did, back when I had the chance. At the time I wasn't particularly interested in carbines.

The U.S. Caliber .30 Carbines - Post WWII
 
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South Korea still has over 87,000 unaltered all original MI Garands and well over 700,000 M1 Carbines.
The Obama administration blocked the purchase of 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines in 2010, saying the American-made antique rifles could “potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes.”
There has been several attempts to allow these rifles to be reimported but so far all has failed.
At one time there were some Garands reimported from S Korea by Blue Sky and the barrels so marked.
 
The machining on that Underwood barrel is reminiscent of the 1942/43 Izhevsk Mosin 91/30s I own. There are enough machining "artifacts" that you can file your nails while waiting for a target.
 
Early 1970's the federal government had a program where they released (?) hundreds of carbines for sale to law enforcement agencies, I got one for $ 68 (which I thought at the time was outrageous) I carried one for 4 years in the military and didn't particularly like them.....I sold it for 100 bucks a year or two after I got it, at the time I could have bought 10 if I wanted to but who'd a thunk they'd become so sort after ? I wouldn't use one to hunt deer.....in the military I knew a guy who threw a Carbine (Butt first) into a snow bank and the slide activated and shot him in the chest, after 8 days in the hospital he was courtmartialed for negligent handling of a weapon and returned to duty.
 
I have seen a few mentions made of carbines being used by the Railroad cops. Some rail yards can be very dangerous places.

"Carbine" Williams is often attributed with being the inventor of the M1 Carbine. Some years ago there was a fairly lengthy article in the American Rifleman about the Carbine's history which stated that Williams had very little to do with it, aside from his patented short stroke piston that it used. He was on Winchester's carbine design team for awhile, but he was so obnoxious no one else wanted to be around him, and he was much more a distraction than a contributor.
 
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What are those tan frames in the stack of ammo cans in the background of the picture with the swizzle stick?
Never saw that before.

They are ammo can trays. They make them to fit either 30 cal or 50 cal ammo cans. They're as handy as a sharp stick.

Seems I ordered mine from Midway USA but Amazon may have them too.


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Early 1970's the federal government had a program where they released (?) hundreds of carbines for sale to law enforcement agencies, I got one for $ 68 (which I thought at the time was outrageous) I carried one for 4 years in the military and didn't particularly like them.....I sold it for 100 bucks a year or two after I got it, at the time I could have bought 10 if I wanted to but who'd a thunk they'd become so sort after ? I wouldn't use one to hunt deer.....in the military I knew a guy who threw a Carbine (Butt first) into a snow bank and the slide activated and shot him in the chest, after 8 days in the hospital he was courtmartialed for negligent handling of a weapon and returned to duty.

I've posted about this before, but our sheriff approved the purchase of several dozen surplus USGI M1 carbines in the late 1990's that were slated for law enforcement purchase only. These had been re-imported from Israel.

I was assigned the dubious task of preparing these carbines to be issued to our full time and reserve deputies. It turned out to be a labor of love and I spent a few hours a day for the next several months going through them. Several were in pristine collector grade condition, including one very nice Rock-Ola. About a quarter of them just needed a thorough cleaning after complete disassembly, springs and headspace check, and a few hand rubbed applications of linseed oil on the stock. The other 3/4ths needed minor work, springs replaced, and/or stocks completely stripped, sanded, and refinished.

Overall they provided us good service as patrol car carbines for about 10 years until they were all eventually replaced with black guns. The deputies were given the option of purchasing their issue carbine and a lot did so.


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