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Car bomb outside Moscow kills daughter of “ head instigator” of Ukraine invasion. nuf sed.
The Russians have gone in
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Video report from DW here (scroll down)
Daughter of Putin ally Alexander Dugin was killed by a car bomb near Moscow. Authorities are investigating the death of Daria Dugina, whose father has been called Putin's "brain." The car she was driving exploded and it has been suggested her father may have been the target.
And other news; Russia claims to have destroyed Odessa ammo dump with hypersonic missles (alternately, they hit a granay) and a regional head of Ukraine's SBU intelligence services has been found dead at his home in central Ukraine...
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Der Verminator
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Odessa is a beloved, historic and beautiful old city.
I suspect that Putin is reluctant to pound this beautiful old city into rubble..........but you know he will if they force him to do it.
I suspect Odessa will surrender rather than see it happen.
He might not have to pulverize it.
A starvation winter with limited heat is coming for Ukraine.
This will be the final test.
I suspect that Putin is reluctant to pound this beautiful old city into rubble..........but you know he will if they force him to do it.
I suspect Odessa will surrender rather than see it happen.
He might not have to pulverize it.
A starvation winter with limited heat is coming for Ukraine.
This will be the final test.
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Putin is reluctant to lose, and is losing. All else are side issues.
Not that new. The North Koreans have been sending prisoners and other slave labor to Siberian timber camps in exchange for energy and other vital items for years.
Der Verminator
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Putin does not appear to be losing.
It would seem that time is on his side.
The danger is that IF he does seem to be losing.........what will he do?
Nuclear world war becomes a possibility........even moreso if Putin has a cancer that gives him a short time to live.
He may decide to take us all with him.
This far away war could come to the U.S.
I'd respectfully disagree. Putin planned a one-week takeover of 43 million people in a country the size of Texas. Instead he has seen worldwide humiliation of his military and equipment to partially gain 2 oblasts and lose security in Crimea. NATO is united and expanding from the Arctic to the Mediterranean, and Ukraine is being fast-tracked to EU accession. Russia can't trade in worldwide markets, and the American companies that made his gas and oil fields work are gone.
Ukraine will have a tough winter, but recall how vainly Hitler tried to subjugate by force a motivated, well-led UK as well as a stubbornly resistant Stalingrad. The harder you push people determined to be free, the harder they resist.
Not seeing signs of a win.
War could come to us (and NATO) from Russia, from China (over Taiwan or the West Philippine Sea), or from adversaries in the Middle East or South Asia (over Israel or the worsening Shi'a-Sunn'i conflict). Again, isolationism and appeasement have exactly the same effect.
Ukraine will have a tough winter, but recall how vainly Hitler tried to subjugate by force a motivated, well-led UK as well as a stubbornly resistant Stalingrad. The harder you push people determined to be free, the harder they resist.
Not seeing signs of a win.
War could come to us (and NATO) from Russia, from China (over Taiwan or the West Philippine Sea), or from adversaries in the Middle East or South Asia (over Israel or the worsening Shi'a-Sunn'i conflict). Again, isolationism and appeasement have exactly the same effect.
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Not just Ukraine, but much of Europe as well, mostly for fuel, which will really put the West's determination to the test.
As others have said in "the fog of war" it is very difficult to get reliable information from either side.
No doubt Putin thought that taking over Ukraine would be a walk in the park. This has clearly not proven to be the case, and has shown considerable weaknesses in Russia's mililtary strategies and leadership. But people (not just "the good guys") learn from their mistakes.
If this drags on into winter, as it seems very likely, I fear we - all of us - may be faced with something as dangerous, perhaps more so, than The Cold War. We may be involved in an imdirect war with Russia (supplying more and more arms and materials without actually putting boots on the ground) as well as propping up Europe. China is still something of an unknown quantity (although seemingly not as regards Taiwan) watching with its cards very near to its chest; North Korea hardly so.
Let us hope that behind all the headlines there are some very high-level talks going on behind closed doors to avert what could be a very nasty world situation from which we in N. America will not be exempt.
Der Verminator
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How do you know that?
Answer: You don't. You're just parroting what CNN and the New York Times tell you.
And they can't read Putin's mind either.
I'd say it's far more likely that he envisioned a ten-year plan that would be finished by the next leader of Russia.
But we don't know, do we?
Der Verminator
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I'm seeing signs of everybody losing..........
Especially the American taxpayer--who is taking huge losses.
smithman 10
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Beg to differ
I have never believed the Putin threats of nuclear arms use. Only a lunatic would resort to nuke use and I don't think Putin is crazy. Nor do I believe all the unconfirmed reports about his health.
I have never believed the Putin threats of nuclear arms use. Only a lunatic would resort to nuke use and I don't think Putin is crazy. Nor do I believe all the unconfirmed reports about his health.
Der Verminator
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More than the coming starvation winter.........
NEXT YEAR'S harvest is likely to be a disaster.
Ukraine crisis threatens 2023 grain harvest, says top FAO economist - World - Chinadaily.com.cn
NEXT YEAR'S harvest is likely to be a disaster.
Ukraine crisis threatens 2023 grain harvest, says top FAO economist - World - Chinadaily.com.cn
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LVSteve
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Actually, yes - we do know, from the Kremlin.
Andrei Fedorov, former deputy Russian foreign minister, has told Al Jazeera the next few days are key in Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as President Vladimir Putin’s initial order was to “complete the military operation with a victory by March 2”.
Russian ex-official: Putin’s plan is full victory by March 2 | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera
Then there are those who study war:
Eleven weeks after the Feb. 24 invasion it is clear that Vladimir Putin’s initial plan has failed. What is less clear is what exactly went wrong and why. We have scoured dozens of commentaries and interviews by experts—mostly military and mostly Western, but also Russian, Ukrainian and Asian—in search of answers. Of the flaws in planning and execution identified by experts, several categories stand out, in our view:
-Underestimating the Ukrainian leaders’, military’s and public’s will and ability to resist;
-Underestimating the collective West’s will and capability to aid Ukraine;
-Poor planning of the military campaign, calling for simultaneous achievement of multiple objectives along several axes, unachievable with resources committed to attaining these objectives;
-Failure to establish a single chain of command for the operation, to ensure that advancing units have adequate and timely protection and supplies and to achieve air superiority.
More detailed descriptions of these and other miscalculations in Russia’s campaign are below, from both experts and journalists. But the longish list does not mean that either Russian defeat or continued Western unity in support of Ukraine is a done deal.
What Went Wrong With Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine? | Russia Matters
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And if the stories of Rasputin's demise are true, it might take more than a car bomb to dispose of Dugin
According to a BBC article, , "The pair were due to leave the venue in the same car, before Mr Dugin reportedly made a decision at the last minute to travel separately."
I wonder if Dugin has Rasputin's (ahem) endowment?It seems you need to have a certain look to influence the rulers of Russia.
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How do you say "The best laid plans o' mice and men gang aft agley" in Russian?
Or, to quote Frand Loesser's 1943 pop song, "Spring will be a little late this year."
What’s happened to Dugins daughter should give Putin pause
MOONDAWG
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