How to fix design defect in shield 2.0 hinge trigger?

[RobzGuns]

Brand New member, 5 posts (all to this thread), posting a video as to how he/she/it can make a Shield, which has sold well over 3 Million units (with nearly 0 problems), fail and calling it a 'design defect'?

I believe, that if the OP were to get with an instructor, the instructor could correct the 'defect'.

We all know, that anyone, when trying hard enough, can make any model of any brand, fail.

Is it possible, Perchance, that we may be getting trolled?

 

[HEADKNOCKER]

I watched the small Video
Shield9 Performance Center M2.0
The shooter needs to place his finger on the trigger correctly & grip the pistol tightly like you are anticipating recoil...
My 2.0 has never malfunctioned ever, not even once
You may have to get the $85 Plus factory trigger or Apex whatever
I usually wouldn't even recommend them but their polymer trigger for a SD9 worked wonders SO~~~

WELCOME TO THE FORUM @pmandayam

I do not think this is a troll
But a new user of a M2.0 PC
GOOD LUCK! & Let us know how you fair

 

[Tiribulus]

Smith and Wesson did it's first ever one billion dollar year in 2020.

Millions of M&Ps sold since the release of the 2.0 line. Numerous police departments around the country use these pistols and given budget issues I very much doubt that most of them replace the stock triggers.

I don't know how this would be possible with a pervasive view that their triggers are largely inoperable.

For myself, I have 2 2.0 model M&P pistols and I never would have even thought of this if somebody hadn't brought it up.

 

[Tiribulus]

It is actually well known and common practice for law enforcement agencies to replace the stock M&P triggers.

How would you like to be a hip n groovy dood and bring some evidence that "It is actually well known and common practice for law enforcement agencies to replace the stock M&P triggers."

If that's the case, I don't how I missed it. I've been a computer professional for over 20 years and internet research is a huge part of what I do. I can't even count the number of articles, posts, discussions and videos I've seen on these weapons.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Because of how the trigger safety works, if my finger is too high, the safety hinge below won't activate and I can't pull the trigger.

My video demonstration.

The solution now is to replace the trigger. I am looking at either Hyve's Monarch Trigger System trigger, OR Apex trigger.

My question is, will either trigger replacement fix this issue? In other words, with either new trigger, can I activate the trigger with any finger placement?

Training the finger placement to activate the safety is not an option, because in a real world self defense scenario, it could be a point of failure when it's not practical to have that level of finesse. Ideally the trigger should just be "draw, point, and shoot", and unfortunately this gun in this configuration fails to achieve that.

Honestly, I'm surprised how popular this gun has become when half the time you press the trigger and it doesn't even work, it fails to function as a gun. This is far worse than the "false reset" of the CSX and the heavy and atrocious J-frame trigger pulls. I guess Smith & Wesson has horrible trigger engineering, sigh.

I finally got around to watching the video in post number 1. It is obvious the person who posted this is placing his finger incorrectly so that he does not properly engage the trigger in a way to deactivate the inertia drop safety located in the trigger, an essential feature in striker-fired pistols. It is equally obvious that he knows what he is doing wrong because he intentionally moves his finger to the correct position to correct his problem. The “solution” is not a replacement trigger, but to learn how to shoot. Either learn to use it correctly, or move on to another design. The rest of the world does not have the problem being complained about in this post. It is not my intention to be rude, but the OP wants to malign the M&P trigger as defectively designed, when it is not, and the problem the OP is “creating” is a result of poor technique.

 

[Mongo1958]

Millions of M&Ps sold since the release of the 2.0 line. Numerous police departments around the country use these pistols and given budget issues I very much doubt that most of them replace the stock triggers.

I can imagine the lawyers having a field day with a perp getting shot with a modified gun.
I actualy like the 2.0 trigger a little better that the Plus trigger.

 

[LVSteve]

It is actually well known and common practice for law enforcement agencies to replace the stock M&P triggers.

The fact is, we cannot count on finesse in high-stress shooting situations. This isn't competitive shooting where I have the opportunity to carefully place my finger perfectly on the trigger. And in this fact, snub-nosed revolvers and Sig Sauer semis have the advantage.

Link showing some examples, please.

 

[shawn mccarver]

It is actually well known and common practice for law enforcement agencies to replace the stock M&P triggers.

The fact is, we cannot count on finesse in high-stress shooting situations. This isn't competitive shooting where I have the opportunity to carefully place my finger perfectly on the trigger. And in this fact, snub-nosed revolvers and Sig Sauer semis have the advantage.

And there you have your answer. Use a snub nose revolver, the SIG Sauer semi-auto, and get rid of your defectively designed M&P.

 

[Telecaster]

Is someone trying to set the stage for a frivolous lawsuit?

 

[pmandayam]

All you supporters of the m&p stock trigger, can you count on perfect finger placement in a high stress scenario?

 

[Tiribulus]

All you supporters of the m&p stock trigger, can you count on perfect finger placement in a high stress scenario?

Without a second thought. Honestly friend.

I have a few thousand rounds through mine doing various self defense drills and never once did I have even a hint of the problem you're suggesting.


I'm not just trying to be a fanboy ******* here. It never even occurred to me. I'm just being honest.

 

[Richard Simmons]

If you don’t like the trigger then sell the gun and move on. It’s really that simple.

 

[ken158]

It is actually well known and common practice for law enforcement agencies to replace the stock M&P triggers.

The fact is, we cannot count on finesse in high-stress shooting situations. This isn't competitive shooting where I have the opportunity to carefully place my finger perfectly on the trigger. And in this fact, snub-nosed revolvers and Sig Sauer semis have the advantage.

Please note and identify the departments of this “well know fact and common practice” of LE agencies changing triggers because neither I nor any of my factory or armorer contacts have any knowledge of this…

 

[sigp220.45]

All you supporters of the m&p stock trigger, can you count on perfect finger placement in a high stress scenario?

It doesn’t need to be perfect. It just needs to be like a normal human would do it.

I work a side gig with the Primary Firearms Instructor for a large State Police Department. They issue bone-stock M&Ps and allow Shields as personal weapons. He has seen everyone from brand new cadets to grizzled old vets trained on revolvers qualify with the supposedly defective trigger you are squawking about. No one, not a single person, has had a problem with the trigger. Not one. Ever. Even once.

Its like holding your 1911 in your mouth and complaining that stupid grip safety won’t let you shoot with your tongue.

 

[HEADKNOCKER]

Just for your information OP
Hyve Technologies trigger lists it won't work on 2.0 or Performance Center Shields, so I ASSuME the trigger stop in the frame is their problem
The earlier design didn't have said stop
Note how the factory Plus Trigger has a scoop designed into it design to allow for the trigger over travel stop

Design Defect

 

[gunny4053]

All you supporters of the m&p stock trigger, can you count on perfect finger placement in a high stress scenario?

Yep, because I have yet to find an imperfect placement. No matter how hard I try, I can't make this trigger fail.

It obviously doesn't work for you, so instead of trying to convince all of us who are willing to live and die with it, why don't you inquire about other firearm recommendations that will make you happy? Perhaps the Sig P320? I hear it's been accepted by the US military, so it must be perfect.

 

[HEADKNOCKER]

I hear Glocks are Perfection
And if SIG beats Glock for the Military, they must be the Best of the Best of the Best SIR!

 

[GerSan69]

All you supporters of the m&p stock trigger, can you count on perfect finger placement in a high stress scenario?

Actually, yes.
That's what's called "muscle memory." Do it the same (proper) way a few hundred times and your muscles will automatically take the proper position.
I'm late to this discussion, but the post you made here was too much to ignore. Not knowing 100% of the anatomy of a trigger pull is understandable. Some of the folks who shoot for a living would likely dazzle any of us with their understanding of not only the design and mechanics of triggers, but of the human hand and fingers, too. Watching them in action is a combination of amazement and appreciation of the result of training and knowledge.
But insisting that something that doesn't work based on flawed or intentionally incorrect technique is somehow anyone's fault but your own is, I'm sorry to say, just not realistic. I haven't bothered to search for instances where other folks have also "found" what you claim, but I'm confident that if I did, I would discover they weren't doing it correctly, either.
Look, there's no shame in needing correction of technique. We all likely have at one time or another. I know I have. The "shame" is in anyone claiming they know better and refusing help.
Y'all take care. I hope you'll "get" what folks are telling you here and will come to enjoy your M&P. If not, though, I wish you well with trading in for something that you feel will suit you better.

 

[Auburn4]

In MHO. He is part of the S&W Calif. Lawsuit. Just My HUMBLE OPINION.

 

[pmandayam]

For those wondering which police departments use the Apex trigger, I found this thread, see bullet point one: Is an Apex trigger in a duty Glock court-defensible? | Glock Talk

I've also seen other statements on the internet in various forums about it.

Unfortunately, I only have internet hear-say, and not official police department statements or documents.