Interesting problem that I have never had to deal with before

[Marshal Tom]

I am about to start a new security job at our local hospital. They just switched companies and have decided to do armed security, thank God, for the first time. They should have had it years ago in my opinion. Here is the catch. Since they are new to this concept and just getting their feet wet, they want concealed carry, but here's the catch. They wear a duty belt with the other stuff on it so your shirt is tucked in but you must conceal the firearm. I want quick access of course but not sure which way to go with this. Anke holster, belly band inside my shirt, pocket carry or some other method.

After retiring from LE, I did an armed security job at a fancy resort here in CO. for several years. There our stuff was concealed under an untucked shirt, so it was no problem. I am told that eventually they will go to opened carry on the duty belt, but not at this time. Looking for suggestions.

 

[raljr1]

WHAT ABOUT THOSE "TUCKABLE" HOLSTERS.

 

[cda322]

I did a hospital security stint once. There’s a fair amount of hands-on and I don’t think ankle carry is ideal for that. A belly band might work if you had to. You might consider replacing a few buttons on the shirt with good velcro for easier access - just sew/glue the buttons on top or something.

 

[Marshal Tom]

WHAT ABOUT THOSE "TUCKABLE" HOLSTERS.

I have considered that as well but might be very difficult to access when inside a shirt, under a duty belt. Might try AIWB. Tom

 

[robvious]

I can't imagine how AIWB with a duty belt would work..

 

[bigwheelzip]

WHAT ABOUT THOSE "TUCKABLE" HOLSTERS.

Hubby and I use the Alien Gear Cloak Tuck 3.0 holster for carrying our EDCs, the service size CZ PCR. Usually use it untucked, but hubby has tucked it on "dress up" occasions, and it conceals just fine.


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[bigwheelzip]

I have considered that as well but might be very difficult to access when inside a shirt, under a duty belt. Might try AIWB. Tom

Alien Gear has their free 30 day test drive.

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[BAM-BAM]

Over the years as a Hosp Administrator/In-house Counsel I've had both armed (inter city w/ 40 officers) and unarmed (suburban IIRC about 8-10 ) Security Depts report to me.


Surprised you have a choice ..... no uniform requirements?

My opinion Hosp Security is a deterrent and if carrying a gun it should be visible.... especially in and around the ER. I was the only one that carried concealed (Walther PPK then 6906 in a Summer Special) when I got called in at night ( or for a 3 day state prison riot)..look as much like the local police as "they" will allow.
That said; maybe a lightweight navy blue vest or windbreaker (snaps not zipper)Think FBI, with badge or "Security" on the left breast nameplate on the right.. Badge is better, from experience, drunks and punks in the ER tend to laugh at "Security Guards". Especially ones that appear unarmed.

Truth be told you'll probably be spending a lot of time outdoors. Patrolling the lots , covering folks going to cars at shift changes and out and about around the ER.
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My Director and Asst . Director went this route. Wear an under belt and 'keepers". Wear your gun in a mid or high-rise holster on a 1 3/4" dress/gun belt; add pepper spray, cuffs, radio/phone, taser as needed/required........keepered (is that even a word?) to the under belt. Then add windbreaker or Blazer as appropriate.


Should be easier in winter in Colorado

 

[majick47]

Sounds like your local hospital like many others these days isn't the safest place for the staff, patients or visitors. Be prepared to be dealing/wrestling/restraining violent psych overdose patients along with highly emotional violent family/friends/enemies of patients. Also there will be prisoners being guarded by LE. My advice is to go with a good security holster on your duty belt for your weapon. Since you are required to wear a jacket I'd make sure the jacket gives you quick access to your weapon if needed. A tough environment, good luck.

 

[Greymann]

Is a shoulder holster possible?

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[ISCS Yoda]

Well, you do not say what gun you'll carry but if you wear cargo pants of some kind you can easily carry a reasonably sized pistol in your pocket. S&W's new CSX would fit and I'd use a Remora pocket holster. They stick inside the pocket nicely. Any typical compact and not so compact 9mm pistol will work in a Remora poclet holster in the hip pocket of 5-11s, Tru-Spec, or similar pants.

 

[pete950]

What are you going to carry?
What about pocket carry or cargo pocket?

 

[haywood]

If your uniform shirt is big enough, a shoulder holster or the undershirts with built in holster. The problem may be the undershirt making you too warm. I guess you would need a undershirt for a shoulder holster also so, again may be too warm. Belly Bands are also warm. Pants Pocket carry may work. You may have to have pockets custom altered to fit a specific gun for its weight and size. If you can chose your own gun it would work great with one of the new high cap mini 9’s. Gun on one side or gun on each side. Mags can hide in plain sight in mag pouches. If your aloud cargo pants that would give you extra pockets for whatever. Carrying guns in cargo pockets would have the gun bouncing around on your leg. I myself would try pants front pocket carry. Small high cap and a J Frame or two high caps or two J Frames.

 

[blues7]

If you can pull off pocket carry, I think that's the best option given the restrictions you mention. It allows the best options for response.

 

[John Patrick]

Maybe an under shirt, shoulder holster and snaps or a couple of unbuttoned buttons on your uniform shirt?

I’m going to try try this next week in our company warehouse, which is my try zone since printing, etc, no one cares about.

 

[Smoke]

I've never worked for a security company that wasn't very specific about what you could carry and how you carried it. if they want you to conceal your gun let them figure out where.

I'll also mention that in Colorado Springs a specific endorsement on your security license is required for concealed carry.

 

[serger]

Hopefully you are working at Delta Health and not St. Mary's.
Less loons and I-70 crazies.

 

[Hair Trigger]

Will your position have arrest powers, as a police officer would have? (Company police, rather than a security officer)

Who is mandating the concealed carry, is it hospital administration, those with no LE experience who want to maintain the appearance of an unarmed presence, so as not to frighten the poor souls who fear guns out of ignorance?

Wearing a security/police uniform with no indication of being armed seems like a danger to you; a perp sees the uniform as much a threat as a weapon, and you need to be able to instantly respond to a threat, rather than digging around your tucked in shirt and around the batman utility belt with its radio, handcuffs and other stuff hanging off of it in order to reach your weapon.

The hospital I retired from 3 years ago had a company police force, with sworn officers who wore Dockers and polo shirts with a badge and the hospital name and logo on it. They also had G17's holstered outside the waistband and a radio and taser. The E.R. of a hospital can be just as dangerous as a street corner in the worst part of town.

 

[Kanewpadle]

I am about to start a new security job at our local hospital. They just switched companies and have decided to do armed security, thank God, for the first time. They should have had it years ago in my opinion. Here is the catch. Since they are new to this concept and just getting their feet wet, they want concealed carry, but here's the catch. They wear a duty belt with the other stuff on it so your shirt is tucked in but you must conceal the firearm. I want quick access of course but not sure which way to go with this. Anke holster, belly band inside my shirt, pocket carry or some other method.

After retiring from LE, I did an armed security job at a fancy resort here in CO. for several years. There our stuff was concealed under an untucked shirt, so it was no problem. I am told that eventually they will go to opened carry on the duty belt, but not at this time. Looking for suggestions.

Sorry to be negative about this but I simply would not do it.

You’re potentially putting your life on the line while they put ridiculous restrictions on you. And in my opinion any gun that you could pocket carry isn’t adequate enough for security work. They need to get over themselves and do things correctly from the start.

From my experience the words “security” mean nothing to bad guys. You will more than likely deal with those that have mental health problems in which case I would want my gun immediately available preferably in a level 3 holster. Not tucked under my shirt.


Good luck. Hope things work out for you.

 

[Robspeire]

Kangaroo Carry "Air Marshal 3." I have used one for many years.
Do a search. I really like it