Interesting problem that I have never had to deal with before

[jimmyj]

To be more helpful: what type weapon will you be carrying ?

 

[fatcat3]

You’re potentially putting your life on the line while they put ridiculous restrictions on you. And in my opinion any gun that you could pocket carry isn’t adequate enough for security work. They need to get over themselves and do things correctly from the start.

THIS!
Convince the Admin to figure out what they want before putting restrictions on.

 

[fatcat3]

This sounds like a bunch of people sitting around, all experts in their field, making decisions on a subject that they know NOTHING about. But, they are oh so educated, and oh so clever and oh so wise (unlike the rest of us rubes) they can do this better than anyone else. Just ask em they'll tell you so.

 

[Kanewpadle]

To add, what about liability? If you have to use force are you covered by the hospital’s insurance? Their attorney? What if you get hurt?

 

[BAM-BAM]

To add, what about liability? If you have to use force are you covered by the hospital’s insurance? Their attorney? What if you get hurt?

OP said the Hospital "switched companies" ........ so in all likelihood : No,No and Workers Comp.

Should find out about what his employer is providing in the way of insurance and coverage.

I preferred having my own employees vs contractors. More control over hiring , oversight and control.

 

[Muss Muggins]

. . . Here is the catch. Since they are new to this concept and just getting their feet wet, they want concealed carry, but here's the catch. They wear a duty belt with the other stuff on it so your shirt is tucked in but you must conceal the firearm. I want quick access of course but not sure which way to go with this. Anke holster, belly band inside my shirt, pocket carry or some other method. . .

I’d pocket carry . . .

PS: This stuff always used to get me in trouble in meetings back before I retired from the Yankee Gov’t. I’d raise my hand after a statement like the above and say “That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard of . . . “ I really got in trouble once when I continued with “ . . . except for that thing last week . . . “

 

[keith44spl]

Tom,
I’ve worked a few security gigs where it required concealed carry.

Like John Patrick suggested above…

I used my old shoulder holster for a lwt commander under a 5.11 shirt with snap front.
I also had a model 37 in my pant pocket.

Dave

 

[lrrifleman]

Sir,

I would normally suggest the shoulder holster route under a jacket, but once you step inside and take your jacket off because of temperature, you now will break policy since your shoulder holster would be exposed.

Given the parameters and challenges you are encountering, pocket carry may be your most viable option. Any type of carry that will require you to tear away clothing in order to access your sidearm is going to take too much valuable time and could get you killed. I would lean more towards pocket carry with a Sig P365 or similar handgun.

Sadly, I'm afraid that the new security company has more specific uniform and carry specifics to share.

 

[dave1918a2]

What're You going to do when a drug induced, 275 pounder gets off the cart and comes at You ? I wouldn't take the job until open carry was the order of the day. I spent 52 years in the Denver metro area and in todays environment I can only recommend You keep Your life insurance paid up.

 

[old bear]

Years ago I had to carry full time I used an IWB holster in the five o’clock position. Simply put it in place, tucked in shirt and “bloused” the portion of the shirt tail over my gun. This gave me decent access along with decent concealment; unless someone Really knew what to look for.

I tried the Belly Band set up with the modified shirt, it never worked for me. That may have something to do with the fact I got more Belly than band.

 

[Paul in Nevada]

I have nothing to add from an armed security or LE perspective but I will chime in on tuckable holsters. I will wear a Crossbreed Minituck when I need to wear a tucked shirt. It's very comfortable and totally inconspicuous. If you are gun guy you might spot it based on the two clips over the belt. I swapped to brown clips with no logo to make it less obvious. They also have J-hooks and velcro hooks if you want the least visibility.
Drawing from concealed is just like any other CCW solution. You are making compromises in accessibility which can only be mitigated with training.

 

[walkin' trails]

I have considered that as well but might be very difficult to access when inside a shirt, under a duty belt. Might try AIWB. Tom

I would look at IWB options for carrying just behind the hip and my second option would be AIWB. I don't really look for tuckable features but have had good success tucking around the butt of the pistol with minimum exposure of the belt attachment devices (clip). With a duty belt, which I see as the limiting factor due to perceived stiffness, the outer belt would cover any clips holding the holster. Adjust any equipment you have to carry on the duty belt accordingly so it won't interfere with the draw.

Pocket carry might be an option in additional to ankle, but to me, those are for concealing small handguns and for backups. Plus, both limit your access, especially pocket carry.

It sounds like the hospital doesn't understand the concept but if you're just starting, you probably aren't in a position to criticize at the moment. At least they allow for being armed.

 

[686-380]

How about a vest?

Shop — Concealed Carry Outfitters

 

[Smoke]

To add, what about liability? If you have to use force are you covered by the hospital’s insurance? Their attorney? What if you get hurt?

If he's employed by the hospital as a security guard he's covered under their liability and Worker's comp. As long as he's acting within the scope of his duties.

In Colorado security has ZERO police powers. they have the same citizen's arrest authority any other citizen has and it's generally understood that if they ever actually use it they will be fired immediately

 

[ISCS Yoda]

I have no debate with respect to some of the negative concepts above relating to your own personal safety. However, if you wear a duty-type uniform and a duty belt with equipment on it you'll probably appear armed to most folks.

This is 100% correct:

Carrying guns in cargo pockets would have the gun bouncing around on your leg. I myself would try pants front pocket carry.

Cargo pockets are in the wrong place for a gun, anyway - your access is difficult as opposed to a "hip pocket"/"front pocket". Speaking from routine experience, a compact 9mm in a Remora holster in your front pocket will be virtually invisible.

 

[Marshal Tom]

Thanks to all for the replies. As I stated, this is a new concept for this hospital as the previous company was not armed. One of the young cops in town here worked for them and was asked to bid on a new contract so this is fairly new to him as well. If I had been running the show, I would have been persuading the hospital admin to go with exposed, on the duty belt carry as apposed to concealing the firearm so as not to alarm the staff and public.
I will be asking all the pertinent questions regarding insurance, liability etc before I start. It appears that I can carry whatever I want and will probably go with pocket carry at first while I figure out what works the best. I have both a Shield and an M&P 340 that I can utilize for that purpose but would rather use them in a backup role.
As I said, the uniform shirt will be tucked in and behind or inside a duty belt containing all the other stuff so an inside the waistband or AIWB may be difficult to access.
The guy running the operation told me that most of them leave their guns in their bag in the office!! That should be telling in itself. That makes zero sense to me. Might as well not have one at all. I might not last long after I start voicing my opinions.

 

[Grayfox]

A good friend of mine wore a belly band high on his chest with the gun under his arm shoulder holster style. If needed he'd just "Superman" it.

 

[BAM-BAM]

Good Luck!

Think you are going to need it!!!!!!!

 

[Onomea]

.. I am told that eventually they will go to open carry on the duty belt, but not at this time. ..

I wonder what the hospital's reasoning is. If they want the duty belt and all, I assume security is uniformed.

No mistaking who's security, right?

And they want armed security so that in the event someone gets life threateningly dangerous, their uniformed security can pull their concealed guns, surprising the perp, and cause him to cease and desist or shoot him if need be?

Wouldn't the bad guys be more likely to behave if security was openly armed?

I'd be interested to hear what the hospital admin's perceived advantage of having security initially conceal their weapons is. It kind of sounds to me like not everyone who matters is on board with armed security, and the idea is to sorta wait until the holdouts come around before security being openly armed.

Still, if the message is you are welcome to conceal carry if you wish while employed as hospital security, it is better than the admin trying to forbid the practice. (If that's the message, might want to get it in writing though. E.g., if whoever in hospital admin is in charge of hospital security is in favor, but the rest of the admin isn't yet.... but I am no lawyer.)

Pocket carry, with modified pockets if need be, sounds like the solution to me.

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

Seems to me this pause in the display of duty carry will evolve into permanent, until someone, you or other security gets hurt , bad.

I worked for a urban environment PD with three hospitals within our jurisdiction. Most of the worst criminals had to go to the hospital first. Think about that. I'd insist on open carry or find another gig.