Saw a few primers at Bass Pro today

[tlawler]

First time I've seen primers on the shelf in a very long time. Large pistol and small rifle only and prices at $90-100 per 1K, but there they were. I didn't buy any because of the price, but hoping at some point I'll not be saying "I wish I did".

 

[Miracle Man]

It's a start

 

[John Patrick]

I'm thinking you are going to be wishing you bought them.

 

[kbm6893]

Bass Pro, a big box retailer, only gets a couple of boxes in and it's a big deal. 2.5 years of this. This is intentionally shorting the market to create a demand and create the new normal price that people will be happy to pay.

 

[John Patrick]

Bass Pro, a big box retailer, only gets a couple of boxes in and it's a big deal. 2.5 years of this. This is intentionally shorting the market to create a demand and create the new normal price that people will be happy to pay.

I don't agree that it's intentional shorting of supply by manufacturers. I think they are cranking out all ammo and components they can, and just beginning to get ahead of huge demand, including demand related to .gov and Ukraine.

 

[John Patrick]

Bass Pro, a big box retailer, only gets a couple of boxes in and it's a big deal. 2.5 years of this. This is intentionally shorting the market to create a demand and create the new normal price that people will be happy to pay.

I don't agree that it's intentional shorting of supply by manufacturers. I think they are cranking out all ammo and components they can, and just beginning to get ahead of huge demand, including demand related to .gov and Ukraine.

 

[CH4]

The BP in Vegas has frequently had powder and primers in most sizes for the past 6 months. Don't remember the prices, but they must have been < $90 because I didn't take any home.

 

[kbm6893]

I don't agree that it's intentional shorting of supply by manufacturers. I think they are cranking out all ammo and components they can, and just beginning to get ahead of huge demand, including demand related to .gov and Ukraine.

Name me one other item that is still nearly unavailable 2.5 years later and when it is, it's 3-5 times the price. How long are we going to blame new IRS agents and Ukraine?

 

[SweetMK]

Name me one other item that is still nearly unavailable 2.5 years later and when it is, it's 3-5 times the price. How long are we going to blame new IRS agents and Ukraine?

Yesterday, I read an article about a truck owner/driver in California.
He made big money when the country needed home exercise equipment, and home office supplies.

Recently, he can hardly get enough runs to pay for his fuel,, the buying has stopped.
(also, due to dock turmoil fear, much shipping transferred to the East Coast)

For him, I think the panic buying simply stopped, hardly anything is being off-loaded.

Something has to change, for any market price to change.

 

[John Patrick]

Name me one other item that is still nearly unavailable 2.5 years later and when it is, it's 3-5 times the price. How long are we going to blame new IRS agents and Ukraine?

We aren't supplying Ukraine with gasoline, SA far as I know, but it's about 3 times as expensive. Diesel, same, and we're on the precipice of a shortage which might double prices.

While the US beef, chicken and pork producers aren't also supplying the Ukraine, prices were up nearly 100% in my area, though they have come down lately.

Now ammunition, which we are supplying Ukraine, is up maybe 30-50% and harder to find. Primers likewise, and ammo bound for Ukraine requires primers.

 

[len917]

We aren't supplying Ukraine with gasoline, SA far as I know, but it's about 3 times as expensive. Diesel, same, and we're on the precipice of a shortage which might double prices.

While the US beef, chicken and pork producers aren't also supplying the Ukraine, prices were up nearly 100% in my area, though they have come down lately.

Now ammunition, which we are supplying Ukraine, is up maybe 30-50% and harder to find. Primers likewise, and ammo bound for Ukraine requires primers.

We have had shortages of primers and powder since before Ukraine. How about more gun owners buying more and more ammo could create a shortage. You can only manufacture so much without investing money on more manufacturing equipment to take care of a relatively short term shortage.

 

[John Patrick]

We have had shortages of primers and powder since before Ukraine. How about more gun owners buying more and more ammo could create a shortage. You can only manufacture so much without investing money on more manufacturing equipment to take care of a relatively short term shortage.

I agree. My prior post was aimed at post COVID. COVID limitations country wide also interfered with ammo production. That was one element of the ammo and component suppliers getting behind the 8-ball. Add the riots, new gun owners, etc.
Now it's Ukraine, 80,000 IRS troops, etc. imo.

 

[hyena]

I saw CCI large pistol primers at a LGS this morning. $100 per thousand. I passed, even though I could use some.

 

[glenwolde]

Primers are made from materials that are known to have had pricing and availability issues. Brass/copper/nickel/lead. Throw in increased demand for a variety of reasons.

For a long time you couldn't buy them at any price, now we're at the stage where you can buy all you want at a certain price. Other items have followed the same pattern. But each of these items is on its own timeline. Some fast, some slow, with varying pricing effects.

I don't buy the market manipulation theory. But if you do, you should take your proof and file a complaint with the FTC.

 

[Troystat]

Sellers are getting these prices because buyers are willing to pay.

 

[John Patrick]

Sellers are getting these prices because buyers are willing to pay.

Simple supply and demand.

 

[kbm6893]

Primers are made from materials that are known to have had pricing and availability issues. Brass/copper/nickel/lead. Throw in increased demand for a variety of reasons.

For a long time you couldn't buy them at any price, now we're at the stage where you can buy all you want at a certain price. Other items have followed the same pattern. But each of these items is on its own timeline. Some fast, some slow, with varying pricing effects.

I don't buy the market manipulation theory. But if you do, you should take your proof and file a complaint with the FTC.

The three gun shops near me haven't had one box of primers since April of 2020. The pic the OP posted has a few at Bass Pro, a big box retailer that used to have shelves full of them. Finding them online is a challenge, and sometimes they are out of stock before you finish typing in your credit card number. We're not even close to being at the stage where we can buy as much as we want.

Ukraine and Covid have become the excuse for everything.

 

[John Patrick]

The three gun shops near me haven't had one box of primers since April of 2020. The pic the OP posted has a few at Bass Pro, a big box retailer that used to have shelves full of them. Finding them online is a challenge, and sometimes they are out of stock before you finish typing in your credit card number. We're not even close to being at the stage where we can buy as much as we want.

Ukraine and Covid have become the excuse for everything.

Excuses for some things, reasons for others.

Shut down production for months on end, add widespread rioting being broadcast on every network, throw in panic buying and hoarding by new gun owners and long time owners alike, don't overlook the bankruptcy and idling of a major manufacturer and then top it off with a proxy war between NATO on one side and the Russia/China/Iran, et al coalition on the other.

That'll disrupt the supply-demand curve. Throw in some Bidenomic stagflation and record low labor participation rates to make sure supply, demand and price don't stabilize.

 

[Alton]

If you go to the Federal and CCI websites they list their primers MSRP. Federal runs from $8.99 to $11.99 per hundred. CCI runs from $5.39 to $14.99 per hundred. Cheap gas, groceries, diesel, and primers are gone.

 

[glenwolde]

The three gun shops near me haven't had one box of primers since April of 2020. The pic the OP posted has a few at Bass Pro, a big box retailer that used to have shelves full of them. Finding them online is a challenge, and sometimes they are out of stock before you finish typing in your credit card number. We're not even close to being at the stage where we can buy as much as we want.

Ukraine and Covid have become the excuse for everything.

I guess that was a bit (O.K. a whopper) of an exaggeration, but there are scattered reports of online availability and occasional sightings of significant quantities at retail. Look at all the posts here about "I saw them for $100 (or $90, or whatever). Didn't see that a year ago. Then it was all "$200 at a gun show."

It's getting better. Not good enough, nor fast enough, but better.