Beretta buys RUAG, plans expansion of Savannah ammo plant.

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I agree with robertwalsh, with Beretta's backing we ought to see increased production.

Re RWS… Once upon a time I saw RWS ammo frequently. Haven't seen it in years. Hope I see it frequently again!
 
RUAG virtually owns the police/special operations market in Europe with their ACTION line, used by German police, GSG9, and other notables. I hope they sell that line here.
 

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Potentially very good news.

I do not agree. The ammo manufacturing divison of RUAG was, for the longest time, part of the Swiss government. Its roots reach back to the "Pulvermühle Steffisburg" located near the Swiss capital Bern and thought to be the oldest ammunition factory in the world (founded 1586). Production was always geared towards professional users (Swiss army and other armed forces, police etc), with a reputation of providing high quality ammo at competitive prices (compared to other offerings in the professional market). And as Shawn said, RUAG is very successful in this market segment and there is probably no army in the world that is not a RUAG customer. Over time, other brands came to the fold (RWS, Geco, Norma, Rottweil etc), so far so good. Then in 1998, after centuries of ammo production as part of the Swiss government, the RUAG small arms ammo production division was privatised and became RUAG Ammotec, an independent company specialized in producing small arms ammo, and it is this company that Beretta Holding S.p.A. acquired. (There are other RUAG divisions for heavy weapons & ammo, space, aviation etc, some were privatised too, some remain part of the Swiss government.)

Now why do I not agree with the statement that RUAG Ammotec now being part of Beretta is good news? Because RUAG has been producing high quality ammunition for centuries and they have a very good reputation. They don't have a problem with the quality of their products or finding customers. Beretta can't help RUAG Ammotec on the product/manufacturing side of things. There's probably no company on the planet with more experience and know-how about small arms ammunition manufacturing than RUAG Ammotec. All Beretta will do is try to reduce cost which may result in lower prices but potentially also in lower quality. That is not a good thing as "low" priced low quality ammo is already available from other manufacturers. However, there is one thing Beretta does bring to the table, and that is retail distribution. Beretta can bring RUAG Ammotec products to private customers in every corner of the world, and that has the potential to be huge for RUAG Ammotec. Even here in Switzerland, where RUAG small arms ammo is widely available, there is pretty much zero marketing towards retail customers. Ammo usually comes in plain white boxes, military style, no colors, no fancy names, the way armies and police corps get them. I expect Beretta to follow SIG's example and come up with cool names and packaging for retail sales, which is obviously not a bad thing per se, but they will very likely market the ammo to retail customers under the Beretta brand. For the professional market, I expect the RUAG Ammotec brand to be continued.

So overall, we're losing a large and significant independent high quality ammo manufacturer, and Beretta Holding S.p.A. becomes even more domineering in the small arms market. It's not some huge catastrophe, but it's not a good thing either.

At this point a gentleman would apologize for the lenghty post, but as you can imagine, centuries of ammo manufacturing history would provide info for an even longer post, so instead I hope you appreciate the brevity! :rolleyes:
 
What brand names would I see that are made by this company?

Incomplete and simplified:

Ruag (military & police)
Swiss P (high-end military & police rifle ammo, "sniper's choice")
RWS (hunting, sports precision)
Norma (hunting, sports & tactical precision)
Geco (large portfolio of competitively priced "general purpose" ammo)
Rottweil (shotgun hunting)
MFS (military & police, sports & tactical precision)
 
... thought to be the oldest ammunition factory in the world (founded 1586).


Because RUAG has been producing high quality ammunition for centuries and they have a very good reputation. They don't have a problem with the quality of their products .....

Hopefully it's not as gloom and doom as you foresee.

Founded in 1526, the privately held Beretta is the oldest arms manufacturer in the world, predating RUAG.

Quality of Swiss manufacturing is not in question here in the USA, only quantity, because there is a years-long shortage of ammo here, and if Beretta expands RUAG's facility and gains civilian market share, it can't happen soon enough.


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I would think that if the brands now offered are profitable, they will continue. Beretta will likely offer a line with their brand, like Sig has done. Sig ammo is very high quality. I'd like to see some new primer brands offered in the U.S. for reloaders and muzzleloader hunters.
 
I still miss the old RWS Target (22 LR) that was sold here in the US 30+ years ago as a loss leader. My High Standard Bullseye guns ate it up like candy! :cool:

Froggie
 
Hopefully it's not as gloom and doom as you foresee.

I really gave you the wrong impression, I don't forsee doom and gloom for RUAG Ammotec at all, I think it will be business as usual for them with an additional line of cost-effective ammo offered under the Beretta brand similar to SIG, and probably better access to retail customers around the world.

Founded in 1526, the privately held Beretta is the oldest arms manufacturer in the world, predating RUAG.

Oldest ammunition factory, not arms manufacturer.
 
Oldest ammunition factory, not arms manufacturer.
Just saying, five centuries of privately held arms manufacturing might mean they have some skills to bring to the table.




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Much respect for Beretta and their very long history, big fan here! :)

Excellent posts from a European perspective. Thanks!

Do you happen to know what brand primers RUAG uses for its GECO and Norma product lines?

Also, Prvi Partizan and BELOM? Are any possibly from Unis / Ginex?:confused:

Cheers!
 
Do you happen to know what brand primers RUAG uses for its GECO and Norma product lines?

I have *no* idea, but my guess is that they use primers from all kinds of sources, and they may even produce their own. I *do* know that the primers in Ruag, Swiss P, Norma and RWS ammo have worked every time, in every gun for me. I don't have much experience with Rottweil and Geco, and as far as I remember zero experience with MFS, so I can't comment on those. Geco's reputation is so-so around here, but then again Geco ammo often proves to be among the very best among .357Mag ammo when it comes to precision in tests of a German gun magazine. I always think I should look into it when there's a new review of a revolver, but then I'm too lazy and continue to use the ammo I already know. :rolleyes:
 
The Norma ammo brand is currently very active in the civilian market. I bought some Norma Tac-22 some time ago and didn't like the grease-like coating so I shelved it. Within the last year I took about 10 different 22 LR brands to the range to test through an S&W Victory 22 LR semi-auto. All the ammo shot decent groups but the Norma Tac-22 out-shot them all. I now don't mind the grease and use TAC 22 in all my semiautos.

I recently ordered 500 rounds Norma 9mm ammo.
 
I shall never forget a business case study I read in a college marketing class, "Cracker Barrel Marketing, the U.S. Sporting Arms Industry". The thrust of the study was that the industry used primitive and outdated marketing, reminiscent of 19th century practice, a reasonable conclusion considering the age and size of most arms manufacturers. There are attributes of this today. Retail sales and distribution can be chaotic, i.e. where did all those resellers on Gunbroker and at gun shows get their new stock? Can you imagine a car dealer agreeing to a brand franchise while privateers undercut him at will? It is a comparatively small industry without big bucks for high end marketing strategy consulting. Strategies for expansion seem equally questionable. We're into the second decade of chronic shortages of arms and ammuniton with no coherent expansion other than the somewhat lame "We working as fast as we can" from CEO's (paraphrased). Manufacturers operate under suffocating government control, but other industries thrive where barriers to entry are so high. I don't look for the current dismal supply side outlook to change, i.e. RUAG stuff turning up in quantity at WalMart or Dick's.
 
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