Metal to the range

[markmiela]

So I got out today and shot the metal, 100 rounds of target and 30 rounds of defensive ammo, HST 147 grain. Gun felt a little snappy but that could have been the small back strap I had in and may need the medium or medium large. Being left handed after shooting I felt like something was digging into my thumb, again maybe the grip was to small for my hand with the small back strap. Will have to shoot it again.

Tigger was ok, not as good as the Apex trigger in my compact that I had installed. Pistol was hitting right of center and when I went to my LGS the rear sight was off center. So can’t really tell you how accurate it was since the sights came from the factory off center. Kind of disappointed in that since the gun was 899 but they fixed it while I waited. Note the first metal gun I heard this, thought I saw another range report with the same issue.

It ate and spit out all the rounds as I expected since it was a M&P.

It didn’t wow me as I thought it would and I believe I will stick with my compact to carry for now.

It is a nice gun but would be the first of my M&P to sell if I had to sell any. Maybe it will grow on me after shooting it more and maybe a red dot added to it.


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[markmiela]

Holster came today and suppressor height sights ordered from Trijicon.

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[lhump1961]

Sorry you weren't pleased with your 2.0 metal. I had mine out for the first time yesterday and am quite pleased.

I have several M&P's and like some owners was not a big fan of the trigger. The original triggers aren't bad triggers but for my range guns I wanted better so I also installed Apex and like the results. I am happy to report that for me the new M&P trigger will not need to be upgraded as I found it to be just fine the way it is. It breaks clean with minimal overtravel at just over 4lbs. A bit more take up than the Apex but not an issue. Really impressed with it as a stock trigger. In terms of recoil I think it's a 9mm and feels similar to others with no real difference that I can tell.

As you can see I put a Delta Pro on before I shot it. BIG fan of the optics ready slide! Dialed in the dot and the gun shoots very well and groups tight.

Over all very happy. No complaints at all. Shot 80 rounds of 124g ball slow and fast. Performed perfectly. Love the look and the feel (I like M&P's to start with) and will be waiting for Smith to offer it in other configurations.

 

[lhump1961]

Holster came today and suppressor height sights ordered from Trijicon.

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Nice holster. Have you located a good 4.25" threaded barrel? I use Apex in the one's I have and like them but don't see a 4.25" offering.

 

[markmiela]

I wasn’t please with the fact I was shooting right until I figured out why as the rear sight was off center. I experimented with the back straps today and put the large on and that seems to fit my hands better. Once I get the suppressor height sites and I am looking at the Aimpont acro 2 for a red dot I will shoot It again.


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[markmiela]

Nice holster. Have you located a good 4.25" threaded barrel? I use Apex in the one's I have and like them but don't see a 4.25" offering.

I have not even looked for one. I don’t think I will put at threaded barrel on this gun anyway.


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[lhump1961]

I have not even looked for one. I don’t think I will put at threaded barrel on this gun anyway.


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I guess I asked because you mentioned suppressor height sights.

 

[Tiribulus]

It didn’t wow me as I thought it would and I believe I will stick with my compact to carry for now.

Here's the thing. And most of the reviews I've seen say the same thing.

It's an M&P. Except the frame is aluminum. It shoots pretty much like an M&P.

Which there's not a thing wrong with. They're great guns, but is an identical design with a couple ounces difference in weight going to shoot that much different?

I'm not being sarcastic at all.

 

[markmiela]

Here's the thing. And most of the reviews I've seen say the same thing.

It's an M&P. Except the frame is aluminum. It shoots pretty much like an M&P.

Which there's not a thing wrong with. They're great guns, but is an identical design with a couple ounces difference in weight going to shoot that much different?

I'm not being sarcastic at all.

Yes it shot like an M&P and was reliable. I guess I should have said it is different since I am used to shooting polymer guns. I recently picked up an all metal Sig and that felt different as well. I wish they had used steel instead of aluminum. I need to shoot the gun more.


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[markmiela]

I guess I asked because you mentioned suppressor height sights.

The suppressor height sights will be used to co-witness a red dot in the event I put one one. I figured why spend money on nights sights only to put a red dot on and they become useless.

Trijicon doesn’t have regular height night sights for the core or metal pistols.


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[markmiela]

So just found out that the night sights are 11-13 weeks back ordered. WTH.


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[lhump1961]

The suppressor height sights will be used to co-witness a red dot in the event I put one one. I figured why spend money on nights sights only to put a red dot on and they become useless.

Trijicon doesn’t have regular height night sights for the core or metal pistols.


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Thought that might be the case. I've not been interested in co-witnessing anything so far but I know that many like it. I suppose it's because the guns I carry only have iron sights. I think that for me to make a potencially quick shot under pressure would be more difficult with an optic vs. iron sights. I also imagine that the iron sights may actually clutter the sight picture of an optic but that's just speculation as I don't have that set up. There are pros and cons both ways. Training your chosen platform is always key. I know you will do what is best for you.

 

[IAM Rand]

I have put my name on one from a lgs. Getting a great deal but, they said they have 5 on order from S&W and are still waiting. My name is on #4. I already have a Vortex Venom waiting for it.

I fondle them when I go into gun stores around town that have them. I know that it is still an M&P but, somehow it feels a little better. Can't wait to shoot it.

 

[LVSteve]

I'd be interested to see a comparison between the Metal M&P and the Rock Island Armory STK 100, essentially a metal Glock with a better grip angle. I picked up an STK 100 for under $350 recently and am looking forward to a range trip.

 

[markmiela]

Thought that might be the case. I've not been interested in co-witnessing anything so far but I know that many like it. I suppose it's because the guns I carry only have iron sights. I think that for me to make a potencially quick shot under pressure would be more difficult with an optic vs. iron sights. I also imagine that the iron sights may actually clutter the sight picture of an optic but that's just speculation as I don't have that set up. There are pros and cons both ways. Training your chosen platform is always key. I know you will do what is best for you.

Agreed. Just put an Eotech on my Sig Combat that has suppressor height sights. I can see the sights in a lower third co-witness even if the optic is not on. I agree training is key with a red dot that is why I will carry my Sig M18 or even the metal until I get the red dot dialed in and able to find the dot. Although my LGS said until I get proficient with the red dot line up the front and rear sights and the dot will be in line.

I cancelled my Trijicon order since I was going wait till February for them. Looked at night fision but you almost have to know what dot you want to put on and then get the sights. Not sure I will find any night sights for the metal for a while.


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[hardluk1]

Thought that might be the case. I've not been interested in co-witnessing anything so far but I know that many like it. I suppose it's because the guns I carry only have iron sights. I think that for me to make a potencially quick shot under pressure would be more difficult with an optic vs. iron sights. I also imagine that the iron sights may actually clutter the sight picture of an optic but that's just speculation as I don't have that set up. There are pros and cons both ways. Training your chosen platform is always key. I know you will do what is best for you.

You don't want to co witness with your sights . Your dot after the zero it can be anywhere with in the lens but on target and thats were your bullet will hit . Your tall sight's should be in the bottom 25% or even less of the lens depending on the optic you use as base thickness changes from brand to brand were your tall or standard sight may be seen in the lens if needed for any reason but not for normal needs . Do not use a front sight the same color as the dot optic or a real bright color . Iron sights well not clutter a sight pistol and you should be looking down range anyhow . Not looking at the target and the dot well be there unless learning curve has a way to go . !!

 

[lhump1961]

You don't want top co witness with your sights . Your dot after the zero it can be anywhere with in the lens but on target and thats were your bullet will hit . Your tall sight's should be in the bottom 25% or even less of the lens depending on the optic you use as base thickness changes from brand to brand were your tall or standard sight may be seen in the lens if needed for any reason but not for normal needs . Do not use a front sight the same color as the dot optic or a real bright color . Iron sights well not clutter a sight pistol and you should be looking down range anyhow . Not looking at the target and the dot well be there unless learning curve has a way to go . !!

Having never been in a self defense situation I can only try to imagine. I practice natural point of aim at the range just for the reason that I can't imagine always having the time for a proper sight picture with iron sights and maybe not for red dot either. If I do have time then either will work although I admit I shoot a little better with a red dot. Like you said, eyes down range only and not bouncing back to the irons. If we knew the exact conditions before hand then choosing a platform would be a lot easier! At any rate, we should train what we carry.

 

[markmiela]

You don't want to co witness with your sights . Your dot after the zero it can be anywhere with in the lens but on target and thats were your bullet will hit . Your tall sight's should be in the bottom 25% or even less of the lens depending on the optic you use as base thickness changes from brand to brand were your tall or standard sight may be seen in the lens if needed for any reason but not for normal needs . Do not use a front sight the same color as the dot optic or a real bright color . Iron sights well not clutter a sight pistol and you should be looking down range anyhow . Not looking at the target and the dot well be there unless learning curve has a way to go . !!

I am taking lower 1/5 or 1/3 not full co-witness.


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[markmiela]

I am going to order night fision sights with the 311-402 blade since they allow 1/3 co-witness with several red dots.

Holosun 407c, 507c and 508t.
Trijicon rmr and sro
Eotech Eflx
Sig Romeo pro.

And maybe more.


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[Porterb123]

I have 3 sets of Night Fision sights installed. They are bright!