where did you find a deal like that! 2 extra mags and even a cheap holster are close to a hundred right there.
M&P rebates and 10MM concerns
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where did you find a deal like that! 2 extra mags and even a cheap holster are close to a hundred right there.
PSA. Was in email blast.
dangit! I always read those too!
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I like my 10s, but I keep going back and forth over the M&P. The rebate is good through April, I believe, so I'll just keep debating it for a while longer.
The new FN 510 really has me interested, and I'm looking forward to some real-world reviews to pop up soon. Last week I bought the Gen 5 G20, and it runs fine just like the previous Glock 10mms I've owned. To my surprise the price increase for the MOS Gen 5 was very little. My Gen 4 was $464 plus tax, and the MOS Gen 5 was $477 plus tax. I have no interest in MOS guns, but that's the only way Glock is making the Gen 5 20.
The new FN 510 really has me interested, and I'm looking forward to some real-world reviews to pop up soon. Last week I bought the Gen 5 G20, and it runs fine just like the previous Glock 10mms I've owned. To my surprise the price increase for the MOS Gen 5 was very little. My Gen 4 was $464 plus tax, and the MOS Gen 5 was $477 plus tax. I have no interest in MOS guns, but that's the only way Glock is making the Gen 5 20.
Picked it up yesterday. Think I am gonna like this. Gotta fill out the rebate form now and make a range trip to break it in.
Rosewood
That pretty much describes how I feel. I have some reservations about the M&P 10, but really like the new FN 510, which so far is getting really good reviews.
The problem is if you look at the price difference, and then throw in the extra $100 rebate on the M&P, the FN costs twice as much.
Is it worth 2X the price of the M&P? In one way NO, but if the M&Ps mag drop problem is still there and could pop up during an emergency, then the price difference no longer seems important. Dependability trumps price every day.
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All these new 10mm pistols get great reviews until they are in the hands of the public.
Only then do any real issues get reported.
Hopefully the new FN is flawless across a wide variety of loads and power levels but that's been a challenge so far for just about every pistol manufacturer.
Personally I think the 10mm in full loading is too much for a plastic pistol. No matter what the engineering is. My two 10's are a 1006 and a 1911. Both are steel, Both are heavy. Both will probably last forever. Both mine are old with Oodles of rds through them. Again I don't believe plastic with cartridge(if shot a lot) will hold up over time.
Anton Chigurh
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Except the Glock 20 has been humming right along for 30 years.
The issue is not the material in the guns but a rush to market, and to hell with having it completely ready to be sold.
And the Glocks had issues when they first released the 20. They did fix it however.
If I was seeking to add another 10mm to the fleet, I'd be looking at Springfield XD or Sig. Have not been a fan of M&P Series, only fired a 9mm full sized, no experience with the 10mm. Sure have been some loud complainers about them on here... enough to exercise caution.
I have previously posted about the abysmal reliability experience I had with a Compact M and P 2.0 10mm, so I won’t belabor the topic again. However, after shedding the 10 mm Smith, I purchased a Springfield XD-Elite 10mm. I have now put every flavor of ammunition that gave me routine FTFs in the Compact Smith through the Springfield without experiencing any issues whatsoever. I’ll go to the grave owning my Model 14 and 17, but I will never buy another Smith M and P-too many better options.
DonD
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I have the 4.6" barreled 10mm and am happy with it.
Its had 4 malfunctions with Underwood 155gr JHPs. Its happy with 180gr JHP Fiocchi advertised as 1250fps, only 50fps behind the Underwood 180gr. Perhaps the profile of the Underwood doesn't work with the M&Ps feed ramp?
It hasn't had issues with dropping magazines. Don
DonD
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I had a Springfield XDM 10mm. Shot OK but the grip was such that it often wouldn't fire, not due to the gun itself but easy not to release the grip safety. Got rid of it and didn't look back. Don
I've been seeing a few reviews of the new FN 510 coming out and they've all been positive, except for the price.
I've even seen one test where the used Underwood 200 grain hard cast ammo and it shot perfectly.
It's a bit early to tell, but so far it looks like FN got it right.
Mr. October
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If it matters, I bought one with some trepidations based on the reviews. I've had no issues with everything from glorified .40 range ammo all the way to 220 grain Underwood flat nose. (That is some smoky stuff though.) I DO think S&W added stiffer magazine springs which probably solved a lot of FTF issues. In fact, the only issues I've had are with the 2 new magazines I bought. On the first load through the gun, each one ejected the last round totally out of the gun. After that, they were fine. Only happened once on each.
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That's good to hear. S&W (or any mfgr) should listen to customers who have problems and step up and make any changes to fix the problem. I would have much more confidence in a manufacturer if they would step forward and admit to the problem and it's actions to fix it than I do for those that prefer to hide the problem as if it never existed.
I have heard theories about the M&P 10mm and what has caused the mag drop problem. Some are saying that the problem only appears when shooting the more powerful rounds that have a larger, more blunt projectile. Theory is that this more squared off bullet sets much closer to the notches in the magazine that hold it in place, and under recoil may actually trip the mag release. Just theory, but it makes sense.
I have heard theories about the M&P 10mm and what has caused the mag drop problem. Some are saying that the problem only appears when shooting the more powerful rounds that have a larger, more blunt projectile. Theory is that this more squared off bullet sets much closer to the notches in the magazine that hold it in place, and under recoil may actually trip the mag release. Just theory, but it makes sense.
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