Safety on lever action rifles?

I am a fan of savage 99 & win ‘92s. Missed a shot with a Marlin 94 because I didn’t have the lever squeezed tight enough. No morelever safeties for me. I am impressed with the Miroku model 92s a compact smooth quality gun; even their 86, but it’s a bit unwieldy.

I noticed the grip safety on my Miroku made Model 94 takedown has a much larger stud behind the trigger than my pre 64 Winchesters, and requires a very tight hold on the lever to fully depress it.

If I decide to use it in the field, that stud is going to get ground down to a more practical and grip friendly length.
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I own a number of Model 1892 and Model 1894 rifles and carbines as well as a Marlin 39A and a few 9422s with the traditional quarter cock hammer system. Only one of them is equipped with a modern safety, and I don’t have any reservations about carrying any of them in the field.

That’s still the case even though my father managed to shoot shoot himself with a Model 1892 in .32-20 when he was 16. He was carrying it loaded on a tractor with the lever closed and the hammer set on the quarter cocked notch. Unfortunately the rifle slipped and the hammer struck the axle of the tractor on the way down. It fired and the bullet entered under his lowest rib and exited out through the shoulder blade. He walked about a mile and a half to the house and survived just fine, with a couple scars but a lot wiser.

Fast forward about 30 years and he was serious about teaching firearm safety to his kids, for obvious reasons, but had nothing against using a Winchester 1892 or 1894 as he recognized the fault was his not the gun’s.

I also took an NRA Hunter Safety Course at age 12, a requirement to obtain a hunting license at an age under 16. Consistent with what my father taught us, the instructor reinforced that the basic method of rendering a firearm safe was to open the action.

That works every time on a lever gun.

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Well written!

The Browning BLR has an ingenious and elegant safety system IMHO. First is a rebounding hammer. There also is a half-cock notch for the hammer. The elegant part is that when in half-cock you can fold the top of the hammer forward, physically preventing the hammer from moving forward even with a failure of the half-cock notch. The BLR also has a detachable box magazine that makes unloading simple.

I love the Miroku made Winchester 1892s. The tang safety doesn’t bother me at all since it’s exactly like the safeties on my over & under shotguns. It would bug me if I wanted a tang mounted aperture sight though.

The Marlin cross bolt safety does bother me. It is not in a natural location, either for engaging or disengaging the safety. It’s also redundant with the half-cock notch and lever disconnector.
 
I have several lever guns and use them often. One is in my pickup every day and one rides in a scabbard on my saddle a lot. I NEVER carry one with a round in the chamber. When the rifle is needed it is a natural motion for me to lever the action as I bring it to my shoulder. It is such a habit that if a loaded round was in the chamber I would shuck it out on the ground :)

I own one each, Marlin and Winchester, with cross bolt safeties. Nothing wrong with either in my opinion. For hunting they do add some benefit.

As to the tube fed centerfire guns, be VERY careful loading them. NEVER hold them upright and drop the cartridge into the tube.

I don’t keep a lever, or any rifle for that matter, loaded for home defense. Not that it is a bad choice, I just don’t. If I did as I mentioned it would be a natural move for me to lever the rifle as I picked it up. A ‘73 or ‘66 carbine would work well in that situation.

Dan
 
IN GENERAL: Don't drop your firearms, loaded or not...

SPECIFIC TO TYPE: Don't keep (load) a round in the chamber of a lever action rifle until you are ready to fire it...

SPECIFIC TO EACH FIREARM: Learn to load & unload your firearms safely.

Cheers!

P.S. If you desire all the historical attributes (both good & bad) of an older firearm, buy the actual OLDER FIREARM.
 
IN GENERAL: Don't drop your firearms, loaded or not...

SPECIFIC TO TYPE: Don't keep (load) a round in the chamber of a lever action rifle until you are ready to fire it...

SPECIFIC TO EACH FIREARM: Learn to load & unload your firearms safely.

Cheers!

P.S. If you desire all the historical attributes (both good & bad) of an older firearm, buy the actual OLDER FIREARM.

#2 is funny and wrong.......When a big buck shows up......And you rack the action to load it......He'll be several hundred yards away before you can shoot.
 
^^ Yep, I agree. I have a newer Marlin with the cross bolt safety that I removed and replaced with a safety delete kit. I also removed the hideous bolt safety on my Rossi 1892. I am not a fan of classic lever guns that have been modified with added manual safeties.

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I took the CBS out of my hunting Marlin 444 and ground it flat with the receiver when pushed in the off position. Blued the raw end and reinstalled in the off position. I tightened the screw so tight that it will never move. Same as a lock delete kid but much cheaper. Ben that way since 1999. No problems. No oops.
 
The best safety for lever actions or any gun is the 6 inches between your ears.......I detest extra safeties on traditional lever guns.

Whole heartedly agree as well. As a matter of fact, after I read the OP's comments, I never really even thought of a lever action not being "safe", ever. I guess that's what happens when you've shot 'em for many years...
 
My Henry.....

... has a 1/4 cock hammer safety, when in that position, it is LOCKED.

You can pull the rod that compresses the rounds in the tube completely out and do a 'mag dump'. Then just cycle the action to be sure nothing is feeding.
 
#2 is funny and wrong.......When a big buck shows up......And you rack the action to load it......He'll be several hundred yards away before you can shoot.

Since the OP specifically stated in this thread (and in his previously referenced post about lever actions) that he had no interest what-so-ever in hunting, racking the action might, in a home- or self-defense situation, actually be of some value...? It seems to work with shotguns!:eek:

Your hunting scenario would also apply to a bolt action rifle, of course.

Cheers!

P.S. The OP's concerns in this thread seemed to be primarily regarding safety issues, both operational and physical vis-a-vis the firearm. Hence my 3 suggestions.
 
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I have a Winchester 94AE in 45 Colt. I removed the crossbar safety gizmo completely and filled the receiver holes with blued hole covers. Also installed Williams receiver rear sight and front sight. Longer sight distance.
 
#2 is funny and wrong.......When a big buck shows up......And you rack the action to load it......He'll be several hundred yards away before you can shoot.

Two thoughts on this.

1) As I stated above, a lever action an in fact any firearm, is safe when the action is open. With a lever gun, dropping the lever just a little renders it incapable of being fired. There’s no need to carry it with an empty chamber.


2) That said, pulling the lever up to the stock/lower tang to close the action still generates a fair amount of noise and creates the effect you describe if you try it while deer hunting.

In fact one of the complaints back in the day about the change to the rebounding hammer on the Model 94 (a change introduced in 1982 just prior to the Angle Eject change) was that it was not possible to cock the hammer without getting a couple metallic quiet (but still loud enough to spook a buck) clicks. At the time I found that to be the case regardless of how the hammer and trigger were manipulated. I can’t verify that recollection today as I no longer have a Model 94 from that era and have not owned one for about a decade.

In contrast with the original Model 94 quarter cock hammer you can lift the hammer off the quarter cock notch, pull the trigger to the rear, pull the hammer all the way back, release the trigger and then lower the hammer on to the sear all without making a sound. That was and still is a big asset when still hunting for deer in woods at close range where even small sounds carry.

The inability to do that with the initial rebounding hammer design was not well received by many deer hunters.

Interestingly, I have a Model 94 trails end take down rifle made in 2022 (the fourth one made that year) and while it has the rebounding hammer as well as a tang safety and grip safety, the hammer can be brought to full cock silently using the same method as the original Model 94.

So at some point between 1982 and 2022, Winchester addressed the complaint.
 
Since the OP specifically stated in this thread (and in his previously referenced post about lever actions) that he had no interest what-so-ever in hunting, racking the action might, in a home- or self-defense situation, actually be of some value...? It seems to work with shotguns!:eek:

Your hunting scenario would also apply to a bolt action rifle, of course.

Cheers!

P.S. The OP's concerns in this thread seemed to be primarily regarding safety issues, both operational and physical vis-a-vis the firearm. Hence my 3 suggestions.

Racking the action in a home defense situation is another old old tale. Which is simply untrue All that does is give your position away.........Bet ya can't name one incident where that old tale worked.
 
I’ve removed the CBS from both of my 1894s. Replaced one with a fake screw and the Trapper’s with a saddle ring. They are only cas toys. I’ve seen a couple guys go to the line, beep goes off and they cycle and NOT fire a couple rounds before someone yells ‘safety’ and they push the safety off and depending on the order of firearms might get a reshoot or might own the stage and will have to continue.
 
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... has a 1/4 cock hammer safety, when in that position, it is LOCKED.

You can pull the rod that compresses the rounds in the tube completely out and do a 'mag dump'. Then just cycle the action to be sure nothing is feeding.

The Henry large frame lever guns are unique in having both a side gate and a removable inner magazine tube.

A side gate is essential for ease of reloading in the field while on the move. A tube magazine design without a loading gate doesn’t let you reload while sill being ready to shoot.

On the other hand, there’s no free lunch. The large frame Henry lever guns use a closed top receiver like the Marlin 36 and 336. That makes it much harder to visually confirm the rifle is indeed empty and that the last round did not get hung up.

When I worked in the DC area, I’d attend the large gun show in Chantilly VA. They would have an AD almost every show, an almost without exception ot would be with a a tube fed firearm. A common scenario as an attendee unloading the rifle or shotgun at him or in the parking lot, casing the gun and bringing it inside. Phase two would involve the gun being pulled from the case with the trigger being pulled in the process and the firing pin hitting a round that had hung up in the magazine tube.

In that regard, I am a big fan of tube fed designs that utilize a very open receiver top to make it very easy to visually confirm here are no rounds in the tube by verifying you can see the magazine follower.

I’ll take that over removing the tube and then cycling the action as the Model 94’s open top receiver allows 100% positive assurance the weapon is unloaded.

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But again, there are trade offs. With a closed tube magazine it has to be unloaded by cycling all the rounds through the action.

On a newer tang safety Model 94 you can cycle the rounds out of the gun with the safety set on “safe”, and that is the major benefit of having what is still a redundant safety device.

On an old 1894 Winchester with no manual safety, you can still cycle the rounds through the action without closing the lever enough to depress the grip safety, thus also blocking the trigger from any movement.

I do that on mine by placing the end of my pinky finger on the curve of the lever between lever and lower tang so that it creates just enough of a block to allow the extractor to engage the rim, while still preventing the lever from depressing the grip safety. It also leaves enough room inside the lever for the other three fingers so that there is no reason to have your trigger finger dangling outside the lever when unloading, where it might find it’s way to the trigger.

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In short, it does not matter what you have. What matters is that you *fully* understand how it operates, what risks it poses, and think through and use effective measures to mitigate those risks when using the firearm.
 
Racking the action in a home defense situation is another old old tale. Which is simply untrue All that does is give your position away.........Bet ya can't name one incident where that old tale worked.

A certain President, back when he was vice president said all we need for home defense is a double barrel shotgun. They also make a distinctive sound when snapping closed, and that may have been parts of his reasoning.

But that kind of non fact based reasoning is right up there with the same non fact based reasoning that says the 9mm Luger will “blow the lungs right out of the body” as well as the non fact based reasoning that .223 Remington is far more deadly than larger center fire rifle rounds (which is nearly all rifle rounds), or in this case a 12 gauge loaded with buck shot at close range.
 
One might wonder how many times that mere sound of a shotgun being racked resulted in no further response necessary...?

I'm sure it MUST have happened. At least ONCE?:confused:

There just HAVE to be some potential perps (Uh, unidentified "suspects"?) who heard and promptly retreated? Of course, getting accurate statistics is virtually impossible...

No personal experience, happily, on my part.

Cheers!

P.S. Bambi's Dad must be quite fleet of foot to be "several hundreds yards away" in the time it takes to load a lever action. Of course, one in the chamber while hunting seems prudent regardless of the weapon design.
 
A certain President, back when he was vice president said all we need for home defense is a double barrel shotgun. They also make a distinctive sound when snapping closed, and that may have been parts of his reasoning.

But that kind of non fact based reasoning is right up there with the same non fact based reasoning that says the 9mm Luger will “blow the lungs right out of the body” as well as the non fact based reasoning that .223 Remington is far more deadly than larger center fire rifle rounds (which is nearly all rifle rounds), or in this case a 12 gauge loaded with buck shot at close range.

Your quoted man is an empty sock.... Knows nothing about firearms.....Probably doesn't know which end the bullet comes out.
 
The answer to lever action safetys has always been "Use the one between your ears".
 
Your quoted man is an empty sock.... Knows nothing about firearms.....Probably doesn't know which end the bullet comes out.

That’s obvious. To be fair though, I met him once when he was VP. He came out of his office in the executive office building and was able to direct me to the restroom. So there’s that…
 
I replaced the ineffective “pig tail” safeties on my Rossi 92s with filler plugs because the safety was both not necessary and was unreliable. The bolt mounted safety is easily moved from safe to fire by any contact at all with brush. There’s no sense having a safety if it doesn’t stay on “safe” until you move it to “fire”.

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Better than filling the safety hole with a plug, is putting a peep sight there. Adjustable Bolt-Mounted Blue Peep Sight Safety Replacement [PS-01] - $66.95 : Steve's Gunz, Rossi 92 Specialist
You might need a taller front sight but that's not hard to find.

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