Electric Vehicle Stupidity - Update Post 288

[pharmer]

I look forward to my 1st EV. As soon as they launch a battery powered F 18 off a carrier deck I'll be convinced of its' technological advantage. Joe

 

[venomballistics]

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Re-read that. If you really mean what you said, you should apologize for posting and bow out of this discussion.

Did you mean something rational?

Probably meant what he said. These sorts of holes in the plot have been amusing me for a few pages now.
Funny thing here is ... he and I both want EV's to work. The difference is, I can argue either side of the case so I'm not ego raped by the presentation of a legitimate stumbling block.

 

[venomballistics]

First, let me say I have a 2016 Chevy Volt and a 2020 Ford Fusion hybrid. Love them both. But the municipal idiots now think electric school busses are a great idea.

But, the kids will not be warm in the winter. And the bus can't do mid-day excursions or long sports team "away" runs. Some here are 230 miles round trip!

The schools will need diesel backups.

the solution to this is to close the schools. With this kind of thinking, they should not be telling anyone else how.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Waiting for EV threads to join COVID, open carry, bear gun, and other similar topics . . .

 

[Kanewpadle]

Waiting for EV threads to join COVID, open carry, bear gun, and other similar topics . . .

You may not have to wait long Muss.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

Just saw on tonight's news that GM and Ford have made a deal with Tesla to use their charging stations. Apparently it may require a plug adapter?? (I know nothing about electric vehicle charging). Maybe this will help?

well that have magazine well adapters so why not plug adapters. If I was Tesla I'd be charging a healthy royalty on dem adapters though

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

The 108 figure is unladen.
So far we've seen electric trucks fail miserably when tasked with actually towing things. Like a 70% reduction in range pulling a trailer.
If this carries over, would 30 miles and a four day recharge time be acceptable?

African or European????

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

108 miles UNLOADED. No A/C. No lights.

We will be charging them twice a week

Military vehicles like Government vehicles are refueled every day not every week…


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96 hours to recharge....168 hours per week.....Lucy you got some splaining to do....

 

[Rustyt1953]

I sense the channeling of PolymathPioneer.

 

[murf205]

I asked the service dept at my local Ford dealership if they had replaced any batteries yet and they said that they had replaced 1 and that was in an E Mustang. Price-$8000 but under warranty and Ford will warrant the batteries for 8 yrs. BTW there are 2 batteries in that car, so after 8 yrs, your car is automatically worth $16,000 LESS! Good luck selling that baby.

 

[LVSteve]

But, the kids will not be warm in the winter. And the bus can't do mid-day excursions or long sports team "away" runs. Some here are 230 miles round trip!

The schools will need diesel backups.

Make that 500 miles round trip in NV.

 

[Skeet 028]

Looks to me unless we can come up with some new way to store electrical energy...something REAL ...not pie in the sky solutions... that we are going to be dependent on oil and other fossil fuels for a long time. With the recent edict by some powers that be in California not allowing trucks to deliver in Ca...Someone is gonna get REALLY hungry. At least for the foreseeable future batteries are fairly heavy...so how can we have those big ol 18 wheelers like a Kenworth hauling hogs. The truck will be able to haul 2 hogs... Day in... Day charging day out. All said tongue in cheek but we really don't have the commodities available to build all the necessary batteries. Or I don't see 'em. Somebody tell me where I'm wrong

 

[Secundius]

OK, please provide a link to more information about this groundbreaking "replication" technology. Instead of just throwing out a semi-plausible-sounding word-salad.

FWIW, when I do a Google search using your phrase "3D Polymer Bonding, to replicate Rare Earth Metals" all I'm coming up with are articles about new ways to PROCESS rare earth metals. NOT anything about CREATING rare earth metals from something else, or "replicating" them from thin air.

PROCESSING rare earth metals, no matter how sophisticated the process may be, still requires that you have the rare earth metals to begin with.

It doesn't create them from thin air. One of us is missing something here, and I don't think it's me.

( 3D Printing of Polymer-Bonded Rare-Earth Magnets With a Variable Magnetic Compound Fraction for a Predefined Stray Field | Scientific Reports )

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[ameridaddy]

It's called 3D Polymer Bonding, to replicate Rare Earth Metals…
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Better read the paper again.
Polymer bonding is a way to modify rare earth metals into useful chemical forms; e.g. catalysts, sorta like alloying steel, and also shapes formerly unattainable, but you must have the natural element in hand first in order to manipulate or modify it.
What you're postulating is alchemy, which never did produce gold, nor will it create a rare earth element or any other elements.
You can create elements in a nuclear process, like isotopes of uranium and other unstable short half life elements up there on the periodic chart, but nuke labs don't produce millions of tons of anything useful for batteries, and all of those isotopes emit ionizing radiation.

 

[Secundius]

Better read the paper again.
Polymer bonding is a way to modify rare earth metals into useful chemical forms; e.g. catalysts, sorta like alloying steel, and also shapes formerly unattainable, but you must have the natural element in hand first in order to manipulate or modify it.
What you're postulating is alchemy, which never did produce gold, nor will it create rare earth or any other elements.

Rare Earth Magnets are composed of the following chemical elements…
1. Neodymium
2. Praseodymium
3. Dysprosium
4. Terbium
5. Samarium
6. Cobalt

The European Union has been powderizing those materials since 2016…


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[ameridaddy]

Rare Earth Magnets are composed of the following chemical elements…
1. Neodymium
2. Praseodymium
3. Dysprosium
4. Terbium
5. Samarium
6. Cobalt

The European Union has been powderizing those materials since 2016…
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So what. Somebody had to first mine those elements. The elements were NOT 'created' by a 3D printing process.

 

[Kanewpadle]

( 3D Printing of Polymer-Bonded Rare-Earth Magnets With a Variable Magnetic Compound Fraction for a Predefined Stray Field | Scientific Reports )

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Like I said. Still in its infancy. Not inspiring at all.

The immediate problem is the batteries. Not the magnets.

When someone develops a more powerful battery that's a quarter the size of current batteries. Maybe then the tree huggers will have a valid argument.

Until then EV's are simply a fad. Nothing more.

 

[Secundius]

So what. Somebody had to first mine those elements. The elements were NOT 'created' by a 3D printing process.

If the European Union aren't mining the materials themselves, then their getting them from somewhere else! How do you thing the US was able to obtain Titanium for the SR-71, when the US didn't produce it, and the Soviets were the only source to the metal…


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[Kanewpadle]

To add,

If the world could produce smaller more powerful batteries and reduce carbon emissions, again then we'll have something to be happy about.

Not to mention the unknown amount of waste produced by 3D printing and the power they need.

 

[Kanewpadle]

The more I learn about this the more I realize that we're many years away from EV's to make any sense at all.