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"with proper maintenance" the battery should last ......
I thought you said there wasn't any maintenance
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"with proper maintenance" the battery should last ......
I thought you said there wasn't any maintenance
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EVs will never make sense because physics exists.
Batteries are simply not an efficient means of storing power for serious usage.
The "next" thing to replace ICE vehicles will be something that produces energy in real time just like ICE, not something that stores it in final form in battery cells.
In the meantime, EVs will be a very expensive niche product for a niche group of people who are either "new tech" enthusiasts or just people with more money than brains.
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Is it marvelous, though? ICE can create energy in real-time, on the fly. Therefore it doesn't need to store energy in final form, in massive, extremely heavy cells.
Fossil fuel is the densest practical form of portable energy known to man.
With an EV, the vehicle must weigh 20+% more than ICE. This means less towing capacity, more tire wear, harder collisions in accidents, less agility, etc. etc. etc.
Also, with ICE, I can throw a few gas cans in the vehicle and carry around multiple refills. With EV, I can't do that. I have to, at best, wait for the sun to come out and solar charge my vehicle which takes eons.
No, even the idea is stupid. The execution is also terrible.
They represent a step backward in functionality. The only reason people even tolerate them still is some sort of environmental dogma that is quickly dissipating.
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Here is a question about the warranty you mention. The battery is a wear item that will degrade over time. Does the warranty cover this wear? So, lets say after 9 years and 11 months, my battery will only charge to 60% of it's original capacity will Nissan replace it? In other words, does that 10 year warranty cover wear and tear or is it just for manufacturer defects?
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you're just reiterating the flys in the ointment.
battery tech and the means to charge them are the limiting factors.
The motors in these things should outlast anything we've ever owned. they don't need transmissions so that's less to break.
Basically, rust will claim them before non battery related failure will.
But .. those batteries .... ugg
Fact is, biku324 is absolutely right: "Don't like an EV, don't buy one." I won't. Now, Ima need someone other than me to "remediate" any "political types" that mandate I can only drive an EV. I nominate you-know-who. Joe
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And also what about the next owner? And the owner after that?
There are still Model T engines running today.
Who is going to spend 30 grand on a used EV that has like 6 years on its battery? It could **** out at any time and cost 12 - 15 grand to replace!
That's completely impractical. You can replace an entire ICE engine for like 4-5K, and that almost never needs to be done as long as it is maintained! You can almost always just replace parts instead of needing to replace the whole thing like a battery!
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The drive train still breaks, no matter what kind of motor is powering it. Electric motors fry. Nothing is free in this world. Friction is an irresistible force. There's not a millisecond of time that goes by that we're not all beholden to the immutable laws of physics.
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Correct. If it was as simple as pure capitalism, EVs would have been dead and buried long ago.
Do-gooder environMENTALists keep forcing them upon us, spending our tax money in order to pay wealthy people to buy them via tax breaks, pumping our tax money into companies that make them, and arbitrarily creating regs on top of regs forcing companies to curb their gas engines.
Complete nonsense, but anyone that flippantly says "welp, just don't buy one," is being disingenuous.
They are being FORCED by people who think they are "saving the world." it's crazy.
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I've seen plenty of industrial machinery from the 1940's still putting in service. Yeah, some will die prematurely, but the rate of failure is much lower.
it's unfortunate that it's advantages cannot be enjoyed with the batteries in the way
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The reason that the Toyota exec favors plug-in Hybrids is fairly straightforward. The average car drives 30 miles per day. Most drivers can easily get by with a vehicle with a battery range of say, 80 to 100 miles. That means a much smaller, less expensive, and lighter battery pack, with less environmental impact and much less battery dead weight to haul around. Most of the hybrid's use will be on plug-in battery power, with the gas engine being needed only for longer trips. Makes sense to me. Not ideal for every driver's needs but probably would work for the majority.
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Well, I think we're at S&W revolver lock, open carry, COVID, etc. levels. Have enjoyed the hysteria . . .
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We can't talk about those other things without getting dinged. This is about the only topic left. For now!
"Parcel delivery" is looking at those in its rear view mirror.
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There are other's options. 
The maintenance mentioned is keeping the charge between 20% and 80% for maximum life."with proper maintenance" the battery should last ......
I thought you said there wasn't any maintenance
Since I don't have a crayon to write this, know that EVs do not need oil changes/filters, transmission fluid drain/refill, differential drain/refill, fuel filter R&R, engine air filter R&R, engine radiator/anti-freeze service.
But those maintenance-heavy EVs need you to look at the charge occasionally and check air in the tires. And maybe a battery pack sometime in the 2030s.
My next vehicle will be the Ford EV pickup.
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I am certain that my next personal conveyance will be electric. Hopefully one that can navigate stairs.
My little 2020 Camry gets 30+mpg in the city if driven reasonably and close to 40mpg on the highway. And great range with quick refills. I think it's a nice car. Plenty upscale enough for me. I can't imagine what else fancier I'd want. With it's features, MPG and range I can't imagine why I'd want an EV.
Where are you seeing long lines at gas stations?
I sometimes wait for a couple of people ahead of me to fill up at Walmart - because it is the cheapest place in town.
But I don't HAVE to do that if I don't want to - because there are a dozen other gas stations within 2 miles with no lines.
Where do you live? Some 3rd world country?
On the other hand, there aren't a dozen pubic recharging locations within a 2 mile radius hardly ANYWHERE in the whole USA.
Even if there were, a tank of gas takes 10 minutes or less to pump. How far are you going to get in 10 minutes at a public recharging station? Around the block maybe. When EACH vehicle takes eve one hour to recharge that means SIX people can fill up on gas in the time it takes ONE person to recharge.
So which one is going to have the longer line? This is pretty simple math...
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Nobody said we have an unlimited supply of fossil fuels. But we have proven supplies that will last a couple of hundred years based on our history of consumption. We can develop other technologies during that time. But we DON'T have to try to make the transition in the next 10 years - because that is not technologically feasible.
Maybe we can extend the supply if we start replicating fossil fuels using 3D printers too?
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