What in the wide world of sports is going on here

[IAM Rand]

So I was just perusing the internet when I came across the 22 Creedmoor. Shut the front door. Did we really need anther 22. Then while looking at the Creedmoor I see the 22 ARC. Huh, what, I blinked and another 22. Then while researching both of them I see the 6mm Max. bebebebebebebebebbebebe (me running my finger up and down between my lips).

I understand wildcatting and coming up with new round but, I think that some people need to have their blood tested for lead. People be going crazy. I thought I went a bit 2 far with getting the 6 ARC in my stable until I took it deer hunting here in CO.

REALLY, where is all this coming from. If I was an ammo manufacturer I would be pulling out my hair. It seem that they are already having issues keeping up with the main cartridges out there in pistol and rifle, especially with all the wars, um er, conflicts going on around the world.

Is this just re-inventing the wheel without really making it that much better? What is going to be the longevity of all of these cartridges? I just don't know about all this. I need to stop blinking, every time I do there in another new cartridge. Talking about a cartridge war. It used to be about size but, the other way. Now it is about who can get the smallest/fastest.

 

[mikerjf]

After navigating the toothpaste section at the grocery with 27 different kinds of Crest, I stand convinced that someone in marketing is not doing their job because we don’t have a wide variety of choice in toilet paper size and color.

 

[Eric300]

Must have made sense to someone, I reckon.....

 

[Nevada Ed]

Same here.

I was scratching my head when I came home with two cases that I picked
up from the indoor range.
I never saw them before and had to find out what they were.

This site finally told me that these new little gems were known as the
22 TMC and the
4.6 x 30.

More "Man toys".

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Seems ridiculous to me 2 but if they do not make money on it they will stop. If they do make money on it they were smarter than you òr I.

 

[Fishinfool]

I have a buddy who jumped on the Winchester super short magnum bandwagon when those cartridges were first introduced. He has a Winchester model 70 in each caliber. They sit in his safe while he hunts with a .308.

He says they are valuable collectors items.

I think they are rifles in calibers that are hard to find, and nobody wants. He has tried selling a couple of them with no bites. Just waiting for the right buyers, I guess.

Larry

 

[hkcavalier]

I think everyone in the rifle and ammo biz wants to come up with the 'next' 6.5 Creedmoor, that chambering that's not incredibly better than anything else but that everyone just has to have. .40S&W is probably the last example in the pistol world.

I don't think it's going away. Caseless ammo might eventually catch on in military applications, but it's not so great for civilian ones (and has been tried more than once). And I don't think the gubmit will let us mere peons get our mitts on railguns and directed energy weapons --- 'for everyone's safety' of course.

 

[STORMINORMAN]

The 40 S&W will be around for a long, LONG time, IMHO... Still one of my favorites and almost always available: a pleasure to reload.

Now, as far as 30 Super Carry is concerned...?

Cheers!

 

[teletech]

. And I don't think the gubmit will let us mere peons get our mitts on railguns and directed energy weapons --- 'for everyone's safety' of course.

We're getting pretty close to viable magnetic guns:
$3,375 Electromagnetic Gun Declared "A Serious Weapon" During Expert Range Report (Updated)
In the intervening year, even better designs have surfaced, though more on the DIY side than a completed item.
The government will eventually start wanting to regulate them, but they are made out of such common components it's going to be even harder than trying to pay catch-up on the 80% thing.

 

[dsf]

Same here.

I was scratching my head when I came home with two cases that I picked
up from the indoor range.
I never saw them before and had to find out what they were.

This site finally told me that these new little gems were known as the
22 TMC and the
4.6 x 30.

More "Man toys".

22 TCM - probably no need for it, but I have the rifle. Cost maybe $299.00 and is a great little shooter. Takes ParaOrd mags, I think 18 rounds. 2,900 fps and about $19.00 per 50 rounds.

I stopped making fun of women and their many shoes a long time ago.

 

[robvious]

it is the "Fashionable" side of our hobby... the Prada, Versace, catwalk crud .. exclusive and expensive with little to no real world advantage.. I guess I am just a fudd at heart...

 

[mauser9]

Will stick with the old standbys myself. My 06,270, and 22 magnum fits my range without blowing a lot of cash on these calibers I have no use for.

 

[DWalt]

Distinctions without a difference. At most a half-dozen different cartridges each for handguns and rifles should fill all needs, real or imagined. And the same is true for about every other product you can name from alarm clocks to oil filters. Problem is people are born with a craving for variety.

 

[LostintheOzone]

OP said,

REALLY, where is all this coming from. If I was an ammo manufacturer I would be pulling out my hair. It seem that they are already having issues keeping up with the main cartridges out there in pistol and rifle, especially with all the wars, um er, conflicts going on around the world.

The ammo manufacturers are developing the new cartridges. Hornady or Federal more than likely. If Ruger decides to market a new rifle (cartridge) there has to be ammo on the shelf or nobody will buy it. The ammo comes first with at least one firearms company on board. Then they wait around to see if anyone else wants to play. If not, it just dies a slow death.

 

[glenwolde]

They keep trying, and I'm glad they do. I think it advances the knowledge base we all benefit from.

But it's hard to supplant already popular cartridges. There's such a huge installed base.

If your goal is to improve performance, then many are a success. Take the aforementioned WSM's. They got long-action magnum performance out of a short-action. Performance-wise that's a win. Unfortunately that's not the goal. The goal is to sell more rifles and ammo.

I think they should concentrate their efforts and their budgets on building better guns for the cartridges we have. That would sell.

 

[toad67]

Look at what the 22 Creedmoor is all about, especially with heavier bullets. It will sure make you say, huh......

 

[Buzzzer]

One word, money.

While I don't have any ill will towards anyone who wants to reinvent the wheel I do have issues in regards to this sort of thing. History has shown us if you want the consumer to stop using something you stop making it, or make it in so limited of quantities it makes it difficult, if not impossible, for the average Joe to use. Make older ammo in more limited quantities and much more expensive as to make the customer choose a different caliber and, hence, a different firearm.

One word, money...

 

[mtgianni]

OP said,

REALLY, where is all this coming from. If I was an ammo manufacturer I would be pulling out my hair. It seem that they are already having issues keeping up with the main cartridges out there in pistol and rifle, especially with all the wars, um er, conflicts going on around the world.

The ammo manufacturers are developing the new cartridges. Hornady or Federal more than likely. If Ruger decides to market a new rifle (cartridge) there has to be ammo on the shelf or nobody will buy it. The ammo comes first with at least one firearms company on board. Then they wait around to see if anyone else wants to play. If not, it just dies a slow death.

Hornaday discontinued production on 444 Marlin and 480 Ruger for the foreseeable future. Everything comes at a cost.

 

[IAM Rand]

They aren't even really doing much. They took the Legend and necked it to make the 6mm Max, they necked the 6Arc to make the 22Arc, and they necked down the 6.5 Creedmoor to make a 22 Creedmoor. This feels much like Hollywood these days. All they do is take old movies and redo them. They may make a couple of changes but overall, it is the same ole thing with pearls on it.

It might be nice to have someone start from scratch and come up with a whole new cartridge that is not based upon something else.

 

[DWalt]

Well, Remington did come out with that electric rifle and cartridge, I forget the name. That was a brand new concept not based on anything else and was a huge marketing success among those who didn't mind paying $5/cartridge. Then there was the Dardick Tround, the Gyrojet, and the Daisy VL.