M1 Carbine Fans?

[18robert]

when i got home from nam in 65,i unpacked and found an inland in my stuff. no idea how it got there,can;t remember. still have it tho.

 

[Brian Parrish]

I Know, Right?

An Aimpoint on a M1 Carbine? Got a picture?

It is an ADCO Alpha 1". The mount is a Weaver Side 1H. I asked my gunsmith for something so that I could still use the irons when the battery goes out. Notice I had him add a small extra piece, a guard to stop the ejected brass from beating the scope so badly. Notice the scars on the scope tube from the brass impacts.

You will say that there are better ways of doing it nowadays. (You'd be right.) I will say that my system works quite well. I can shoulder and snap shoot very rapidly this way. I paid about 60 bucks to get this mount done. I think he had that Weaver mount and rings gathering dust in a drawer. I cannot remember what I paid for the scope but I seem to remember it was 60 bucks. It has a dial from high intensity 11 which works in the brightest sunlight down to 1 which is so dim I can use it in the dark. I routinely forget to turn it off at the end of a range day, so I also practice with the irons and keep spare coin batteries around.

I also have the M3 mag catch installed to run 30 round magazines. You can run extended mags without it, but you cannot run around while running those mags without it. Well... it does hold them a lot more securely anyway.

 

[murphydog]

An Aimpoint on a M1 Carbine? Got a picture?

I recall there is also a Picatinny rail replacement part for the wood upper handguard.

 

[AJ]

It is an ADCO Alpha 1". The mount is a Weaver Side 1H. I asked my gunsmith for something so that I could still use the irons when the battery goes out. Notice I had him add a small extra piece, a guard to stop the ejected brass from beating the scope so badly. Notice the scars on the scope tube from the brass impacts.

You will say that there are better ways of doing it nowadays. (You'd be right.) I will say that my system works quite well. I can shoulder and snap shoot very rapidly this way. I paid about 60 bucks to get this mount done. I think he had that Weaver mount and rings gathering dust in a drawer. I cannot remember what I paid for the scope but I seem to remember it was 60 bucks. It has a dial from high intensity 11 which works in the brightest sunlight down to 1 which is so dim I can use it in the dark. I routinely forget to turn it off at the end of a range day, so I also practice with the irons and keep spare coin batteries around.

I also have the M3 mag catch installed to run 30 round magazines. You can run extended mags without it, but you cannot run around while running those mags without it. Well... it does hold them a lot more securely anyway.

I recall there is also a Picatinny rail replacement part for the wood upper handguard.

I guess.......... I am old school and just use the irons.

 

[G-Mac]

I have a 100% original Underwood with the early flip sight and push button safety. Never had the arsenal refurbish with bayonette lug, etc. Inherited from my father-in-law, A WWII Navy veteran. Fun little gun to shoot.

 

[AJ]

I have a 100% original Underwood with the early flip sight and push button safety. Never had the arsenal refurbish with bayonette lug, etc. Inherited from my father-in-law, A WWII Navy veteran. Fun little gun to shoot.

Every part is original? Those are few and far between.

 

[LostintheOzone]

I have a 43 Inland that I shoot and load for.

My dad was 3rd ID Army in Italy, France and Germany WW2. He had one but being a cook (everyone likes to eat) never used it in combat. Probably why he came back to raise a family.

I noticed that he never bought a surplus carbine. Instead he bought a surplus Enfield (303 Brit) and made a sporter to hunt deer. He shot more than a few with that one.

I have a 43 Inland that I've rebuilt, including the bolt. Shoots great. Not my idea of anything but a range toy.

I might shoot a deer with it in my back yard if I was starving however.

 

[DWalt]

I own a Quality Hardware with an Inland barrel, #155XXX, all early features. No reason to think it went through a rebuild. Thing is, it is entirely blued. The bluing matches the bolt and various blued 15 rd mags. Were the early ones blued ?

QH made only receivers. The QH carbines are found only with barrels from other manufacturers. There was great care taken among all of the Carbine manufacturers that parts would interchange among all of them. I am fairly sure QH also did parts assembly on their receivers.

 

[AJ]

I own a Quality Hardware with an Inland barrel, #155XXX, all early features. No reason to think it went through a rebuild. Thing is, it is entirely blued. The bluing matches the bolt and various blued 15 rd mags. Were the early ones blued ?

Some of the very early Winchesters and Inlands were blued. Since parts were made at different times and by different manufacturers bluing/parkerizing colors rarely match in shades. When all of the shading matches, it usually means it has been reblued, usually post service.

 

[Inland7-45]

I have a National Postal Meter that went through a post war rebuild at Atlanta Arsenal. It still has it's original Marlin subcontract barrel. Everything else was replaced during the rebuild with all the standard post war upgrades. Fun little rifle to shoot. Easy caliber to reload for.

 

[AJ]

I have a National Postal Meter that went through a post war rebuild at Atlanta Arsenal. It still has it's original Marlin subcontract barrel. Everything else was replaced during the rebuild with all the standard post war upgrades. Fun little rifle to shoot. Easy caliber to reload for.

Most still have their original barrels. This is due to the fact that non-corrosive ammo was always used in these by the U.S.

 

[LostintheOzone]

Most still have their original barrels. This is due to the fact that non-corrosive ammo was always used in these by the U.S.

And many of those original barrels are shot out. Not unusual to find a barrel that will measure 3 on a ME gauge. That one's used up. I had one and sold it. If you want a shooter buy one with a decent barrel. Otherwise be prepared for some surprises at the range.

 

[Puller]

Here's a M1 carbine made by Underwood and a Ithaca M1911, both manufactured in 1943.

I find the development history of the M1 carbine interesting study. It's well known that John Garand was the inventor or the M1 rifle, and John Browning was the inventor of the BAR and M1911, but in many accounts Marshall "Carbine" Williams gets credit for inventing the carbine even though he didn't invent it. He did hold the patent on the short-stroke-piston used in the carbine, and he was on the development team, but he was so hard to work with that the project manager banished him from the team at one point.

 

[DWalt]

And many of those original barrels are shot out. Not unusual to find a barrel that will measure 3 on a ME gauge. That one's used up. I had one and sold it. If you want a shooter buy one with a decent barrel. Otherwise be prepared for some surprises at the range.

Over 25 years ago new or good condition barrels were still available reasonably priced, as were most parts. I built a Carbine of parts starting with a barreled action with a damaged barrel. I replaced that barrel with a new one. It was not too difficult to unscrew the old barrel from the receiver (actually the reverse, unscrew thevreceiver from the barrel) and install a new barrel. But the old barrel was screwed in really tight. I used some home-made tools to do it. I still have those tools but never used them again.

 

[AJ]

And many of those original barrels are shot out. Not unusual to find a barrel that will measure 3 on a ME gauge. That one's used up. I had one and sold it. If you want a shooter buy one with a decent barrel. Otherwise be prepared for some surprises at the range.

99.9% of "shot out" barrels are just "cleaned out". In another words a steel cleaning rod was dragged through the muzzle wearing to muzzle out. Same thing happens on Garands. Those are fixed by counterboring the muzzle about 1/2". Most military guns were cleaned more than they were shot. Throat erosion coupled with muzzle wear is a much better indicator of a shot out barrel.

 

[Valmet]

I've owned two in the past, a Nat. Postal Meter and a Saginaw and ended up trading them off. Not a huge Carbine guy but kinda wish I'd kept one.

 

[DWalt]

99.9% of "shot out" barrels are just "cleaned out". In another words a steel cleaning rod was dragged through the muzzle wearing to muzzle out. Same thing happens on Garands. Those are fixed by counterboring the muzzle about 1/2". Most military guns were cleaned more than they were shot. Throat erosion coupled with muzzle wear is a much better indicator of a shot out barrel.

I have a fairly nice M1 Garland. But the muzzle was wallowed out by too-eager use of a cleaning rod. I did counterbore it as described. I think I used an 11/32" drill bit. I made a barrel cap guide out of aluminum to keep the drill bit straight. I did it a little shallower, about a quarter inch. No reason the same thing couldn't be done with a Carbine barrel having a wallowed-out muzzle.

 

[Greyman50]

Thought I'd put these on here. Back in late 60's-70's 30 Carbine ammo was pretty cheap, had cases of it. Lot got shot some traded and sold but always nice to have.

 

[smoothshooter]

Mine is a Quality Hardware, and it lives up to it's name.

The neatest M1 Carbine that I ever saw belonged to a friend of my Dad's. He had been a co-pilot on either a B17 or B24, and was shot down over France and crash landed. He had brought a carbine aboard for just such a situation. A German patrol came upon them, and even though he was shot in the hand, he and his crew were able to fight off this patrol and escape after killing several of them. French partisans soon got them back across enemy lines, and even though they wanted to take his carbine while he was treated for his wound at an aid station he refused. He held onto that carbine and got it home after the war. He also had the glove he was wearing when shot, and displayed it along with his Purple Heart.

Great story!

 

[smoothshooter]

I use to collect carbines. Had all except an Irwin Pederson. Interests change and all are gone except an Inland that belong to my Uncle. He got it in the mid 60's for $20.00. The stock is marked O.G.E.K. in a box, that means Ogden Arsenal Elmer Keith.

Have a friend that has all the makers including an Irwin Pederson. His are in the rack on the end.

I can see why you kept that one.
What a treasure!