Used reporting requirement for dealers?

[John_M52]

Talking to the owner of a gun store recently. He was telling me that the ATF now requires him to submit monthly reports of all used firearms that pass through his hands (where he is the FFL used for the transaction). He used to just maintain records (to the best of my knowledge) but now the ATF is requiring another report.

Maybe not strictly a 2A issue, but it does give me pause that not only do I have to have a background check and the information submitted, but then it gets reported again. Just more oversight and potential to catch a stolen gun? IDK, but every time there is more oversight it makes me hesitate just on basic principles.

He sites this as just another reason that he wants to close and retire because of more and more paperwork. But maybe that is their goal.

 

[scooter123]

This doesn't surprize me a bit. A long term gunshop and range in my area known for not allowing any hanky panky just closed down because they lost their FFL license. The rumor mill has it that it was the result of transposed numbers on a date, as in the gun was sold on the 21st but the record in the log says 12th. Which didn't match the 4473 or the sales record. If true that is totally asinine and an example of the over reach that is happening every day.

 

[raljr1]

I talk to a lot of pawn shop owners. My understanding from them is that they have to hold a gun for a period of days before they can put it out for sale. My understanding is that is so a check can be made to make certain the gun hasnxt been reported stolen.

 

[NewLiberty]

Sounds like the Demand 2 program, which is not new, and does not apply to all dealers. It generally applies to dealers that have a large number of trace requests.

 

[pawngal]

This doesn't surprize me a bit. A long term gunshop and range in my area known for not allowing any hanky panky just closed down because they lost their FFL license. The rumor mill has it that it was the result of transposed numbers on a date, as in the gun was sold on the 21st but the record in the log says 12th. Which didn't match the 4473 or the sales record. If true that is totally asinine and an example of the over reach that is happening every day.

Likely the FFL had been inspected previously and had similar errors. Did they go through an appeals hearing or just surrender their license?

I talk to a lot of pawn shop owners. My understanding from them is that they have to hold a gun for a period of days before they can put it out for sale. My understanding is that is so a check can be made to make certain
the gun hasnxt been reported stolen.

That varies by state and location

Sounds like the Demand 2 program, which is not new, and does not apply to all dealers. It generally applies to dealers that have a large number of trace requests.

Correct

What a lot of this amounts to is the ATF is finally starting to do the job assigned to them. The rules and regularions have been in place for years. Initially, every FFL dealer was to be inspected/audited every 5 years. That was NOT happening..I am probably an extreme example of that, have had an FFL for 33 years, had 1 inspection and that was over 25 years ago.

 

[glowe]

So far I read comments like . . . my understanding . . . maybe . . . rumor mill has it . . .

I can see where posts like above will end up as facts the next time they are repeated. We need to do better than this or not post at all!!!

 

[pawngal]

So far I read comments like . . . my understanding . . . maybe . . . rumor mill has it . . .

I can see where posts like above will end up as facts the next time they are repeated. We need to do better than this or not post at all!!!

My post is fact.

 

[Mark Pilcher]

The facts are that BATFE is looking for any excuse to shut down an FFL under the failed and corrupt Biden administration. It's part of the death of 1000 cuts strategy the commu, I mean leftists have adopted since they keep getting shut out in Federal Courts.

 

[pawngal]

The facts are that BATFE is looking for any excuse to shut down an FFL under the failed and corrupt Biden administration. It's part of the death of 1000 cuts strategy the commu, I mean leftists have adopted since they keep getting shut out in Federal Courts.

Again, opinions. Everybody has them

 

[LVSteve]

What a lot of this amounts to is the ATF is finally starting to do the job assigned to them. The rules and regularions have been in place for years. Initially, every FFL dealer was to be inspected/audited every 5 years. That was NOT happening..I am probably an extreme example of that, have had an FFL for 33 years, had 1 inspection and that was over 25 years ago.

FFL I know who does business at his home once commented that to an ATF inspector that he seemed to get hit up more often than most. I'm told the inspector smirked and said something like, "Well, we like to have a an easy day every so often", the implication being that my FFL's books were always 100% and made their job easy. I guess that's how it should be.

 

[Bald1]

NY has done something similar on their own. Not only is a 4473 done, the background check is handled by NY State. Then you have to mail buyer and handgun info to NY State Police. Which is silly because the NY background check has buyer and gun specific info. Including caliber, model# serial # etc