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Hi Gang,... hope all are enjoying the long hot summer so far.... Just got this ole S&W 1903, and would be great to get any info you guys would like to share, including born date.... thanks,
Model 1903
chambered: 32 S&W Long
serial number: 354096
Hand ejector
barrel 4.25
4 screw...
 

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Hi,... thanks for the comment, yes the serials are close. The "Regulation Police", is that what they were called un officially, or is that a term Smith & Wesson designated officially?
 
The round butt version was officially called ".32 Hand Ejector". The square butt version officially called ".32 Regulation Police". It is somewhat confusing due to the fact that the RP has a "round" butt, but it also has a cut rebate in the backstrap for proper fitment of the extension grips.

Pics show the difference in the backstrap.
 

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That’s a a nice one! It’s a 6 screw. Although the front grip strap screw is not counted until after WWII just before it was eliminated.

I do not see a MADE IN USA roll mark on the right side in front of the trigger guard so it’s likely from before 1923 or early 1923.

The same gun in 38 s&w is marked REGULATION POLICE on the barrel but the 32 RP was not. I believe because the police were the intended market for the.38 chambering.
 
What is the frame designation? of the 6 screw?///
Your blueing looks outstanding, esp. on the R side.
Wait,... even with the screw on the front strap, that is still only 5 screws.... where is the 6th screw?
 
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Yours looks as nice as mine (a 6" target)---shipped to Argentina, of all places, in 1927. We should both count our blessings!!

Ralph Tremaine

I forgot to say the serial number. For those who like to know such things, it's 449510.

I also didn't mention to whom it was shipped in Argentina----Pedro Worms. Now my collection was about 60% pre-war models---a rather large percentage of which were shipped to individuals---rather than XYZ Distributor, and I figured Pedro was another one of those individuals. Not so! A little further on the letter said, "This shipment was for various models, and this was the only .32 Regulation Police in the shipment------------." That was pretty much a dead give-away!
 
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Ha!!!.... Ralph,... I try to do that on a daily basis.
 
Ralph,... how did you become aware of the destination to Argentina, as well as the intended recipient? I like to get the history on my classic firearms but this story goes beyond the pail!....
 
Ralph,... how did you become aware of the destination to Argentina, as well as the intended recipient? I like to get the history on my classic firearms but this story goes beyond the pail!....

That's easy, if a little bit costly these days. You send off for a "factory letter"--so called---back when they came from the factory----free for nothing for a goodly spell. Then they started charging for them---not much, but like everything else, "Poker's going up!!"

Time passed, and things changed. The factory no longer provided such letters. A long time, big time, member of the Smith & Wesson Collectors Association decided the preservation of history was a worthwhile undertaking---and he undertook it---with his own time---and with his own money---A LOT of his own money!!

This undertaking came to be called the Smith & Wesson Historical Foundation. (They have a section in this forum---they now provide the "factory letters" which have a different name I don't recall because I'm old, and stuck in my ways).

So much for the history. Nowadays they not only provide the letters, they have, along the way, gathered all sorts of factory records, spent another BIG wad of money having them "computerized", such that they're easily and quickly retrieved---and available along with/in addition to the letters.

Okay------the "retail" cost of a letter is $100. The wholesale cost of a letter is $90 for members of the foundation ($100 one time membership fee last time I knew), and down to $75 for members of both the foundation and the S&W Collectors Association (SWCA)----membership fee there is $60 first year, $50/year thereafter----and now having to have looked all that up, the proper name of a "factory letter" is "Letter of Authenticity".

I had a letter on each and every gun in my collection---considered them as the frosting on the cake----and worth it! Then too, every once in a while, one of those letters shows up with words like "This is a very important revolver." in it.This can result it in what one might think of as a windfall if/when one might decide to sell this "very important revolver"----and reap a windfall that would cover the cost of their letters for life, and their childrens' lives, and the lives of their children's children's children---a slight exaggeration for the sake of emphasis.

So, back to everyday letters: They start off by giving you the history of the particular model---when, for how long, how many were produced. Then they go into the several variations (if any), the available barrel lengths/finishes/sights/grips/you name it! Finally they tell you about your particular gun---when it shipped/where it shipped/to whom it shipped, and what it looked like when it left Springfield-----barrel length/finish/grips description---and typically the cost.

Most guns were shipped to distributors---those who sell to retailers. A BUNCH of my pre-war guns were shipped to individuals---some of whom turn out to be interesting---and some of whom who turn out to be very interesting---and every once in a while one that has you jumping right out of your chair---and screaming!!!! (Moments to be cherished!)

As far as I'm concerned, some letters are good, more are better, and too many are just right!!

An extra added attraction is the piles of added information available from the Historical Foundation. Once you get a letter, you can ask the Foundation to search their records on that gun. Last I knew, the search is free. If/when they find something that strikes your fancy you can order copies of that material. The cost is next to nothing---lunch money. The information you get is such that folks think you're a genius! The fact of the matter is you just know who to ask.

Ralph Tremaine

An added thought: We see here, on a regular basis, inquiries such as "Do you think I should get a letter on this gun?" Such inquiries produce myriad responses--some positive, some negative, and some downright foolish! The fact of the matter is NOBODY knows what guns should be lettered until AFTER they get the letter!! An exception to that statement arises when Roy Jinks, the looooooooooooong time Historian at S&W, then Historian at the S&W Historical Foundation, and now semi-retired, but still sharing his wisdom with SWCA members---giving ship dates, and responding to various inquiries on the SWCA Forum often lets the cat out of the bag with or without such inquiries by suggesting it just might be worthwhile to get a letter on a particular gun. Those "suggestions" are to be acted upon just as fast as your little legs will carry you---because he knows something you don't!!!!
 
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Amazing post Ralph,....good info for everyone here that collects. I think we should give you double credit for that one!.... Well done sir!
 
In front of the trigger guard.

Jim (Hondo44) may be back soon, but as he noted above the "six-screw" phrase really only refers to the early post-WW II I frame era. For a few years, these had the old-style leaf mainspring, and therefore a strain screw. After the coil mainspring was introduced, no need for the strain screw, so the (collector's term) screw count goes from six to five.
 
"Do you think I should get a letter on this gun?"
I'll only add to Ralph's answers that the correct response is:
"Yes, get the letter BEFORE you sell or trade the gun to someone smarter than you, and only then find the historical significance of what you once owned..."
Taking a page from Ralph's experience, I am currently in the process of lettering ALL my guns...At the rate I can afford them on my meager SS pittance, I'm not sure I'll live long enough to letter all 100+ S&W's in my safe, but I'm about a quarter way through them now, and the knowledge gained has been well worth the $$$ spent...I'll add that becoming a member of both the S&WHF and the S&WCA has paid for its own costs each year in money saved and knowledge gained...:cool:...Ben
 
Patent Date on Stocks

I learn something new on this Forum almost every time I read the Threads! For instance, I never knew that S&W stamped patent dates on the bottom of their stocks like on the OP's revolver. Was that only on the very early models of DA revolvers (e.g. Model of 1903), or did it continue for a while? I've never seen that before.
 
I learn something new on this Forum almost every time I read the Threads! For instance, I never knew that S&W stamped patent dates on the bottom of their stocks like on the OP's revolver. Was that only on the very early models of DA revolvers (e.g. Model of 1903), or did it continue for a while? I've never seen that before.

It was a patent date for the Regulation Police stocks.
 
I learn something new on this Forum almost every time I read the Threads! For instance, I never knew that S&W stamped patent dates on the bottom of their stocks like on the OP's revolver. Was that only on the very early models of DA revolvers (e.g. Model of 1903), or did it continue for a while? I've never seen that before.


Ditto to Hawg's comment.... I had never seen that before. It was so neat and precise of a printing,... it almost looked Photoshopped in.
 
What is the frame designation? of the 6 screw?///
Your blueing looks outstanding, esp. on the R side.
Wait,... even with the screw on the front strap, that is still only 5 screws.... where is the 6th screw?

The 1903 model I frame has the same 6 screws in the same locations as the post war Transitional I frame. The next change, the Improved I frame replaced the leaf mainspring with the coil spring and the spring tension screw of course wasn’t needed; it’s the 6th screw because it was eliminated 1st leaving 5 screws on the I frame.

When the Improved I frame with 5 screws was replaced by the Model of 1953 New I Frame, the 5th screw in front of the trigger guard was eliminated and became a 4 screw. The 4th screw at the top of the side plate was eliminated last on the I frame.

Notice the screw numbers are different from the K and N frames:
They never lost the 6th screw (and therefore it’s not counted) and because the 4th and 5th screws were eliminated in a different order.
 
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