OFFICIAL REPORTS, DEDUCTIVE REASONING AND COMMON SENSE

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The expression, "the older you get, the smarter you get" is so so true! What needs to be preached is that common sense trumps "official reports", "studies" and "research". Why is this you may ask? Because almost every report, finding and study has ties to political and financial agenda's. It is almost impossible to come out with findings, study's and reports that are unbiased - on either side. Almost everything done today is to further an agenda of some sort or benefit a certain group of people.

When I go to parties, gatherings etc. I am blown away at the number of people who quote statistics given by extreme radical groups. They actually believe this hogwash. When I question them in a polite conversation they even say that common sense tells them otherwise but the "official report" says this so it must be true. Sometimes I wonder how the human race got as far as we have. When did the ability to think on one's own evaporate?

People in general have lost the skill of deductive reasoning - yea, just like Sherlock Holmes! Yes, there are still some truly smart people around but few and far between. When I say smart I am not referring to a college education, Doctors, Lawyers, CPS's, etc. either. I am talking about the ability top figure things out, to get to the truth, and have the impetus to figure out what is true and what is propaganda. History is right in front of our eyes, all they need to do is look.

I believe that one of the real issues here is people got lazy, lived on easy street for too long and stopped paying attention to the day to day happenings around the world. The only "news" they got was from a brief main stream media talking head for a few minutes that wasn't really fact - but more propaganda. They obviously weren't interested in verifying that, they just accepted it as being true. People have been gaslighted for so long now, it is extremely difficult for people to admit they were hoodwinked and mislead - that is a basic human defense mechanism. I do not know of many of them are still retaining the skill of deductive reasoning and common sense. After all, people now rely on AI, Siri, and computers to tell them what to do and how to do it. The more we advance the worse this will get. Unfortunately, technology can not be held back and people will lose even more everyday skills, balancing a checkbook, figuring out percentages, tips, etc without he use of a calculator or a printed receipt with suggested tip amounts.

Forgive me is I sound like a pessimist here, but I am just stating what I see and have experienced to be true. I could go on and on but many guys and gals here are old enough to know what I am trying to convey. I doubt I will make any difference when I try and convey this to younger folks who rely on technology, reports and studies but I do at least try. After all, it is human nature to at least try! Maybe, just maybe we can make a small difference - it certainly could not hurt to try.
 
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What I like about Common Sense is that it has produced through the ages many "Witch Hunts" as a way of explaining what is not readily understood.
 
"The power of observation is often called cynicism by those who lack it."
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
Sherlock Holmes in "A Study in Scarlet."
"Who you gonna believe, me or your own two eyes ?"
 
What I like about Common Sense is that it has produced through the ages many "Witch Hunts" as a way of explaining what is not readily understood.

Perhaps not "Witch Hunts" but rather "Wild Goose Chases"? I think the point that the OP is making is that people don't (or won't) do their own deductive reasoning and simply rely on someone else to do their thinking for them - hence the belief in "official reports".

The underlying problem, I feel, is that some of these reports from many sources aren't trying to find the reality behind the issue but rather the conclusion that has already been predetermined, and people don't want to do the skull work to see for themselves if that conclusion makes sense (or perhaps their baloney detector is on the Fritz! :eek:). I also believe that while easy access to vast amounts of information is a good thing, there is no regulation or curation of said information to ensure that what you are looking at on the Google machine is actually true!
 
...What needs to be preached is that common sense trumps "official reports", "studies" and "research"...

Hmmm...Reading this sentence reminds me that most of the anti-gun folks I've debated over the years tell me their positions are based on "common sense", and that the objective research of people like John Lott and organizations like the NRA-ILA is not to be trusted.
 
We might watch, see, listen, hear, and gain experience as we age.
It might become a problem if we understand what we see and hear, added to our experience in life, seasoned with positive reasoning, proven over time to be true, should we try to discuss these findings with those who do not know. It can make us feel as we are in a jar alone.

Any attempt to discuss things with people who understand what we have understood may allow others' minds to wander, wondering how we can discuss this with them. It is not so simple to discuss everything.

I have found, in a lifetime of scrutinizing things I might come in contact with, understanding may not be the gold medal of it all. The most important part, to me, is knowing when to talk and when not to talk: knowing who to talk with and who not to talk with. Certain understandings in this life may make us feel lonely. He who keeps his tongue, keeps his soul from troubles.

If sharing certain things with others is beneficial for all, share it. I have learned I do not know everything. Sharing things that will cause pain and hurt for some others, I try to steer clear of. I have always questioned, because of my desire to check answers I learned in math. I learned to check every question backwards. 2 + 2 = 4, so 4 - 2 = 2
 
People form opinions on issues as they perceive them. The news, data and info that they take in forms their position. Right or wrong. If the news that they hear agrees with their preconceived preceivtion, then that’s their truth, their facts . If they have an open mind , they then may question the news they hear, but I think that’s rare. An example: I have a friend, known him for years. Good man - a strong DEM supporter. A while back, we were sitting on my back porch, sharing some good Bourbon and we got talking about gun control. For every common sense, fact based point I made, he countered with, what to him was, fact and sensible. I didn’t alter his position, he didn’t change mine. What we did learn was that we shouldn’t discuss gun control, or any other hot topic, while drinking. We’re still good friends, just don’t drink and discuss gun control.
 
People form opinions on issues as they perceive them. The news, data and info that they take in forms their position. Right or wrong. If the news that they hear agrees with their preconceived preceivtion, then that’s their truth, their facts . If they have an open mind , they then may question the news they hear, but I think that’s rare. An example: I have a friend, known him for years. Good man - a strong DEM supporter. A while back, we were sitting on my back porch, sharing some good Bourbon and we got talking about gun control. For every common sense, fact based point I made, he countered with, what to him was, fact and sensible. I didn’t alter his position, he didn’t change mine. What we did learn was that we shouldn’t discuss gun control, or any other hot topic, while drinking. We’re still good friends, just don’t drink and discuss gun control.

Good policy. I have lunch twice a month with around 12 gym buddies. About a third of them lean opposite of my views.
We never discuss politics at all, not for one second. No alcohol is ever present.
We remain good friends after years of luncheons.
 
Hmmm...Reading this sentence reminds me that most of the anti-gun folks I've debated over the years tell me their positions are based on "common sense", and that the objective research of people like John Lott and organizations like the NRA-ILA is not to be trusted.
Beemerguy...

Their commonsense has been spoon fed to them by other people...not by their on deductive thought process. It's much easier to get your "common sense" from other people. I had this conversation with a psychiatrist that worked at Crownsville Happy home in Md. I was teaching her Son. to shoot. She hated guns. I asked why ...said they were evil and dangerous. I asked why she said that/ She also said the old saw common sense. I asked her who's common sense? She just stated what she wanted to hear...She was flummoxed. I had a shotgun on the table we were sitting at...I said even if this gun was loaded. it could sit there for 50 years and not hurt anyone...unless someone either stupid or evil picked it up and used it unsafely. Told her that her premises were wrong. Common sense was that the only evil was the person that used it for evil. I even taught her to shoot along with her son. She even bought him a Kreighoff before her passing. She never did get over being a psychiatrist though. They learn from others thoughts and writings...and she had her own issues
 
Today's science.......Follows the money that feeds it......Not the actual facts.

Well, thank you for that sweeping generalization.:rolleyes: My career was as a scientist/engineer/consultant, and I frequently told the guy with the checkbook things he didn't necessarily want to hear. That nearly all of them asked me back to do more work I count as a vote of confidence on my integrity.
 
Currently only 54% of adults in the USA can read above the 6th grade level and 21% are functionally illiterate. Given that it is hardly surprising that people who were unwilling to learn such a valuable mental tool don't have the ability of critical thinking. Failure to learn to read is a huge failure in the critical thinking department.

Bring out the pie charts, the graphs and the TV and tell em what ever you want
 
Good policy. I have lunch twice a month with around 12 gym buddies. About a third of them lean opposite of my views.
We never discuss politics at all, not for one second. No alcohol is ever present.
We remain good friends after years of luncheons.

No alcohol? No politics? What a snooze fest. Please tell me there’s strippers at least ?
 
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