SIG ordered to pay 11 million for AD

I think that many people carrying a pistol need to read and understand the NSSF rules for gun safety.
Rule #1 is keep muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Never point at anything you do not intend to shoot.
Rule #3 Don't rely on the "safety". Never assume the gun won't fire because "the safety is on". Larry
 
GnarlsR2 said:
A firearm manufacturer should be held to the highest level of design safety.

It appears, just like Ford and their Pinto that caused 27 people to be burned alive before they were required to pull the vehicle off the market and then admitted they knew about the defect in the gas tank, but valued profit over human lives.

Has it been explicitly proven that the handgun has a design flaw? If so, did Sig Sauer know about the issue and did nothing? Sig Sauer knew about the potential issue in August of 2017, over 7 years ago.

With that said, it is well documented, every day, you can be perfectly innocent of breaking any law and a jury of 12 can still find you guilty.
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How about Glock, Ruger, Remington, S&W, et al? They've all been successfully sued. Some have made a lot of settlements.
 
Sig did build and sell to the public the P320 pistol with NO Striker block but a offer a "UPDATE " Not a Recall to fix there screw up . Then Sig developed the X series of p320 pistol that had so little chamber support that standard pressure loads would bulged brass are or kaboom the brass out the brass on the lower half and it took sig some time to replace low quality barrels that should never have passed testing but maybe they over looked proofing those X series pistols . I had an early P320compact 40 but sold it after all the p320 issues. No sig branded products will be allowed in our home .
 
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I would hope that this case gets reversed on appeal as they admit the trigger was “moved”. The Sig P320 is no different than all of the other striker fired guns without a safety of which there are many. I don’t think we want the government involved in setting standards for trigger pull weight or we will end up with heavy triggers such as NY Police have. Holstering a gun must be done with caution and many ranges that even allow you to draw from a holster require certification. And for all the people bad mouthing the P320, I have a P226, P239 and a P320 X-Five Legion which I shoot in IDPA. All three are nice guns, but the X-Five Legion is an amazing gun. Yes, it has a light trigger and you must be careful when holstering just like any other gun.
 
BE Mike said:
Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. I won't own another Glock, but not because they are dangerous, even though they have been successfully sued.
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In a semi, Glocks are pretty much all I shoot. But I’m largely a creature of habit. If Glock started making a metal-framed pistol, I’d prob hate it. Same as Sig getting into the polymer game. In the end, it’s just good to have choices.
 
Valmet said:
I won’t own an Sig that isn’t a P220, 225, 226, 228 or 229…the older the better.
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Departing from the 200 series pistols was a huge mistake. I think they made that decision to get the military contract which they did. However I think that was for a pistol with a manual safety. P320 can be purchased without one. I didn't read the article so I don't know if it had a safety.

I have two P-239's and an HK P-30 SK V1. I don't like safeties on EDC pistols but I absolutely will not own a striker pistol which seems to be the flavor of the month.
 
mrussell said:
I would hope that this case gets reversed on appeal as they admit the trigger was “moved”. The Sig P320 is no different than all of the other striker fired guns without a safety of which there are many. I don’t think we want the government involved in setting standards for trigger pull weight or we will end up with heavy triggers such as NY Police have. Holstering a gun must be done with caution and many ranges that even allow you to draw from a holster require certification. And for all the people bad mouthing the P320, I have a P226, P239 and a P320 X-Five Legion which I shoot in IDPA. All three are nice guns, but the X-Five Legion is an amazing gun. Yes, it has a light trigger and you must be careful when holstering just like any other gun.
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Since your a p320 x-5 fan what You should know the original X barrels came with serious chamber issues until sig finally replaced the barrels but again, Not with a proper RECALL .

I never was a DA SA guy so as good as most of the classic sigs were I have no interest in them or S&W DA SA and the siggly classic SA only models were limited and pricey. Glad you a happy camper though .
 
bobsguns said:
What IDIOT takes a brand-new gun, one he's NEVER fired before, loads it & carries it loose in his sweatpants pocket? :eek:
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Lots more than you think. Which is why the paperwork that goes with the gun morphed from a piece of paper folded in half forming a 4 lage booklet two pages of which are dedicated to the schematic of the firearm (old S&W paperwork) to the 50 plus page treatise in 5 different languages that came with my last Benelli. When you think you made it idiot proof, the world comes out with a better idiot
 
hardluk1 said:
Since your a p320 x-5 fan what You should know the original X barrels came with serious chamber issues until sig finally replaced the barrels but again, Not with a proper barrel RECALL .

I never was a DA SA guy so as good as most of the classic sigs were I have no interest in them or S&W DA SA and the siggly classic SA only models were limited and pricey. Glad you a happy camper though .
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I am not aware of a barrel issue as it must have been before the Legion version came out. I had been shooting a Glock 34 and just went to the X-Five Legion this year and now 5 of us in our group are shooting them. It is a heavy gun with the tungsten infused frame and allows for very fast follow up shots.
 
Sig didn’t get the military contract because they had the best gun, they got the contract because they undercut everyone else and sold the guns to the military at basically cost. Then they use that as marketing to sell guns at over 100% profit to the public. Military even told Glock, they were never going to get the contract. Good marketing but shady company. Heck, Cohen himself was convicted of illegally shipping firearms.

There’s a military case, on video and has witnesses. Marine had a P320 in a holster with the safety on and it went off. There’s multiple videos of LEOs with holstered guns going off.

Sig knows there’s an issue, they refuse to recall these guns. It’s negligence. I hope the lawsuits keep coming.

I don’t hate Sig, I’ve owned multiple…but their love of money over the safety of their consumers is repulsive.
 
My military experience with the 320 is that it's not very durable or intuitive. But, in the right holster, it's perfectly safe loaded and off safe, ready to shoot. At least in my experience...

We've come a long way from the overly safe foreign guns, especially after GCA68. I own a single action Bernardelli .32, sort of an Italian Walther PP, with TWO manual safeties, neither of which is a grip safety, plus a magazine disconnect. It's like they don't want you to shoot it...
 
Milwaukee PD spent $450,000 in 2023, replacing all their striker fired SIGs with Glocks. Multiple ADs with holstered 320s.

The article i read at that time had a video attached. PD parking lot cam, officer exiting patrol car, 1 hand on car door, 1 hand holding some files, as he stands up, BANG.

Author of article claimed decades as LEO armorer (between the lines he sounded like a Glock guy). He suggested a combination of trigger design and holster tension screw location on trigger guard could cause this. That made sense to me.

Sorry I can't recall author of article.
 
I am a skeptic by nature, and my knee-jerk response to all reports of “it just went off” is “BS.”

That said, there have been too many reports from reliable sources that something hinky is going on with the 320’s fire control system for me to dismiss the claim that there is an issue with this gun’s design.
 
Birdhunter6 said:
Milwaukee PD spent $450,000 in 2023, replacing all their striker fired SIGs with Glocks. Multiple ADs with holstered 320s.

The article i read at that time had a video attached. PD parking lot cam, officer exiting patrol car, 1 hand on car door, 1 hand holding some files, as he stands up, BANG.

Author of article claimed decades as LEO armorer (between the lines he sounded like a Glock guy). He suggested a combination of trigger design and holster tension screw location on trigger guard could cause this. That made sense to me.

Sorry I can't recall author of article.
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I'm also thinking that flawed holster designs might be a contributing factor. There are just too many Sig P320's out there that are not "going off on their own". Cops and Marines can be slow to admit mistakes. I've known a lot of both.
 
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