Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

[Bald1]

About the only way Congress could force it on the states is to make it that any states that does not accept reciprocity loses all federal monies for any of various things subsidized by the feds. As lousy a way as that is it's been used numerous times to coerce the states into complying.

If it were necessary I don’t think there’s anything lousy about it. Look at all the lousy things NY alone has done. Turn about is fair play.

 

[DWalt]

Yup, here. We could care less what you can or can't do at home, everyone here can carry concealed or open. We never had a permit requirement. Which means if this reciprocity thing ever came to be, I would have to pick a state and get a non resident permit...I would pick NH. You could also carry in NH and ME, don't know about any other states.

Texas has both permitless and permitted carry of handguns. I can’t find anything specific mentioned regarding non-Texas residents and permitless carry. Presumably a non-Texas resident can carry permitless in Texas so long as the non-Texas resident is not otherwise prohibited from carrying under Texas law, e.g., being a convicted felon, etc.

 

[Narragansett]

I would not hold my breath on 50 state reciprocity ever happening. The campaign promise was that if one comes across his desk, he will sign it. Somebody in the congress has to instigate such a bill

 

[Auburn4]

The 2nd Amendment has been abused,ignored, etc. by the states since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Let us look forward to this July 4th witch will be the 250th and see what transpires.

 

[dsf]

I can see the snout of the camel. If it gets passed then Uncle
Sugar will think he can dictate what conditions Reciprocity is
allowed to occur.

And the usual suspects will ignore it.

Exactly. The feds can do for CCW what they've done for immigration.

I guess that comes across as dumping on "good enough because it's not perfect" but the down side of federal reciprocity is full of land mines. Even if written giving great deference to the states it takes only a slight tweak by a later Congress and Executive branch to turn good into vary bad.


For example - in my non-lawyer ham handed way ...

"No state shall prohibit or infringe upon the right of a resident of another state from carrying or possessing a firearm, in public or in private, while within the receiving state, so long as the person is not prohibited from doing so in the state of which they are a resident."

All it takes to wipe that out is Congress adding "so long as the person meets all legal requirements for possessing a firearm in the state which they are visiting".

Some states have done a lousy job of handling reciprocity. I have to go to MA every year and spend $100.00 to qualify. And waiting for a good court case takes a while. But as it stands now, it takes a whole lot of states and legislatures to screw things up a little at a time. Inviting the federal government to occupy the field sets the stage for a single Congress and President to screw all of it up in one fell swoop.

 

[dsf]

I wonder how something like this will play with the rules in places like Florida, where there is permitless concealed carry. Would any Florida resident visiting another state be able to carry concealed because he/she can when at home in Florida? Hmmm...

Post #33 got it. But there is a way to handle the "permit-less state" without issuing a permit for show.

If you have a DL or state ID from a permit-less state and the reciprocating state law reads that is acceptable documentation that's all you need. The reciprocating state can set pretty much any "non-resident reciprocity" criteria, doesn't have to be a CCW.

 

[pharmer]

CWL's should be treated same as DL's. Just because Florida says I can drive in any of the 50 states, they cant guarantee I can drive well in the Rockies or Death Valley. But those places accept my DL on good faith, and that their people can do the same visiting Disney. Works pretty well when folks behave. Joe

 

[Hoosierville IRN]

I don't believe an executive order will do it. Executive orders are meant to be used to run the executive department (vice legislative and judicial branches). What it takes will be a bill passed by Congress, signed by the President, and upheld by the SCOTUS. If a state does not comply, then legal means would be used to force compliance...just like Alabama didn't want to comply with SCOTUS rulings on integration of public schools and colleges.

But, hey, I'm no lawyer....

 

[14daMoney]

This would be a great moment for free Americans.

hmmm, does this included "convicted criminals" too ..... hmmm

 

[14daMoney]

A large % of Republican pols are anti-carry. There are no Teddy Roosevelts anymore, sadly.

this is why I believe that a couple concessions: (for fear of offending some by using another term) need to be made before the opposers of the 2nd erode this completely . . . . .

 

[fatcat3]

He had both houses for two years last time around and they couldn’t get it together long enough to put it on his desk.

Not trying to get political, the congress voted NINE time to repeal Obama Care when B.H.O. was in office knowing he would veto it. Somehow the very same congress couldn't manage to get the votes to pass the very same bill, with the very same people a tenth time when D.J.T. took office. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this to hit Trumps desk.

 

[fatcat3]

hmmm, does this included "convicted criminals" too ..... hmmm

Yes or it should. IF someone has served all their time, to include probation, parole, pay all restitution, etc. then they are a free citizen with all right there of. If they can't be trusted with an inanimate object maybe we need to rethink if they can be trusted in society. Restricting someone rights is a tool of the left. FYI retired maximum security prison guard not in the majority opinion with my former co-workers. Just a believer in the Constitution.

 

[djohns6]

You will never see 50 State reciprocity . It's just not going to happen .

 

[ameridaddy]

On paper. .... HI, IL, NJ, NY and CA will continue to thumb their noses at the Constitution.

Don't forget the Democratic Peoples Republic of Maryland. I have family in the Baltimore area and given the area's astronomical carjacking and violent crime rate, I always feel Naked and Afraid when I visit, even though I'm not yet on a TV show.

 

[bobsguns]

this is why I believe that a couple concessions: (for fear of offending some by using another term) need to be made before the opposers of the 2nd erode this completely . . . . .

Hell no! No "concessions" AT ALL!

We lost the Chinese & Russian imports of guns & ammo in 1994. What did we get in exchange? Nothing. Well, we got much higher ammo prices, so there's that.

We lost affordable full-auto guns in 1986. What did we get in return? Nothing.

Fact: almost ALL of the so-called "school shooters" had a record of being on some sort of mental/psychotic meds. It's been researched, google it up. No law(s) are going to stop crazy people from doing crazy things. Just not gonna happen.

 

[bobsguns]

The President does not have the authority to create nationwide reciprocity through an executive order. It is a state issue. Even if the Congress were to pass a law calling for nationwide reciprocity the Supreme Court would probably overturn it as being an unconstitutional infringement on state authority.

I don't like it, but that's how it is.

DL's are legal across state lines. So is a marriage license among heterosexual couples.

Business licenses, medical & legal licensing is restricted to home states unless granted in others by authorities able to do so.

So there's a balancing act for the whole "50 state" argument, IMO.

 

[AlHunt]

Business licenses, medical & legal licensing is restricted to home states unless granted in others by authorities able to do so.

Business, legal and medical licenses aren't enumerated Rights under The Constitution. Any "licensing" or permitting at all to exercise a constitutional right is unconstitutional.

 

[stansdds]

Not trying to get political, the congress voted NINE time to repeal Obama Care when B.H.O. was in office knowing he would veto it. Somehow the very same congress couldn't manage to get the votes to pass the very same bill, with the very same people a tenth time when D.J.T. took office. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this to hit Trumps desk.

Yep, it's political theater, designed to garner reelection votes.

 

[fordson]

I don’t see it happening. And if it did, the opposition would repeal it the second they regain power.

 

[14daMoney]

Hell no! No "concessions" AT ALL!

We lost the Chinese & Russian imports of guns & ammo in 1994. What did we get in exchange? Nothing. Well, we got much higher ammo prices, so there's that.

We lost affordable full-auto guns in 1986. What did we get in return? Nothing.

Fact: almost ALL of the so-called "school shooters" had a record of being on some sort of mental/psychotic meds. It's been researched, google it up. No law(s) are going to stop crazy people from doing crazy things. Just not gonna happen.

the U.S. Constitution has been amended 27 times since its ratification.
and the country didn't come to an end.....
now, the 2nd and its interpretation and application have evolved over time;
and, I suspect that those who oppose it will eventually cause it to change again,
probably sooner than later, and not for the better.
Unless those who support it get out in front with their own plan of action.
Almost everything changes over time.
So, one can sit back and watch things change in an opposing direction;
or, they can become active in promoting the change they can live with.
Ahhhhh, choices, life is full of them . . . . . ..