Right back atcha buddy.
When this over, and it will happen, a lot of people should apologize.
I doubt they will be man enough to do so. They will conveniently forget it ever happened.
SIG P320 Discharges?
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When this over, and it will happen, a lot of people should apologize.
I doubt they will be man enough to do so. They will conveniently forget it ever happened.
When an apology comes due, I hope you can.
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In the event that the safety deficiencies alleged to be present in the SIG P320 variants are ever actually authenticated and reproduced under controlled laboratory conditions, no apologies will be necessary, only acceptance of the facts.
On the other hand; those who chose to post drivel (which turned out to be fake news) in here from an anti gun propaganda organization such as TheTrace.org, need to man up and apologize immediately.
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Only "bullies" mount a legal defense on their own behalf when accused in court over civil matters for which no forensic evidence has as yet been proven to exist.
"Nice guys" just roll over, pay up, and shut down regardless of their lack of culpability, because plaintiffs and their civil claims attorneys would never lie; neither do the ubiquitous gun grabbers.
And BTW: All firearms in the hands of Americans present "a perceived safety issue" to the gun grabbers, therefore, allowing them to be sold to the ordinary citizen is a public safety issue.
Guns kill people don't you know.
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The Safariland holsters that I purchased for my agency do not even touch the trigger. Final lock-up wirh the ALS is the ejection port for both Glock and Smith & Wesson pistols. But whatever the man thinks is right. I do not own and would never issue a Sig handgun. I even witnessed two of their 5.56 rifles so unreliable during an instructor level course that the officers left them lying in the sun behind the firing line after swapping forand Bushmaster carbines that worked. Probably better products now but sheesh.
Exactly, my Safarilands never touch the trigger,They release of the ejection port.
Nice word salad Kamala
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Yup, and the current claims regarding allegations of spontaneous discharges involving the P320 variants are based on the pistols being said to have fired a round without any involvement of the trigger mechanism at all, intentional, unintentional, or by obstruction of, or design of, the holster; which renders "tests" that simulate and any rearward movement of the trigger at all and disengages the passive striker safeties, to be worthless.
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Did you get your answer Gnarls?
Pardon me if so but as I understand it it takes three holes in the Swiss cheese to line up:
Compromised sear engagement, (1)
Failure of the striker safety lever, (2)
Sloppy slide to frame fit. (3)
All this is addressed in the YT video linked above.
There are several ways to repeat #1 such as carbon fouling, brass shavings, even food crumbs, and the Air Force’s inspection criteria about poorly fitting parts.
There are several ways to replicate #2 such as fouling on the side surfaces of the lever, improper MIM manufacturing causing breaks, and spring weakness. Even so it takes very little movement of the trigger to get the safety out of the way even when it is working right.
There are any many of these guns with number three.
The point of the screw in the trigger was simply to move the safety lever away and fire the gun by slide wiggle. Another tester stuck his pocket knife in the trigger guard just enough. Another tester removed the safety lever from the gun. Another tester installed a lever from a different caliber. All were able to get the cap to fire by wiggling the slide.
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"Pardon me if so but as I understand it it takes three holes in the Swiss cheese to line up:
Compromised sear engagement, (1)
Failure of the striker safety lever, (2)
Sloppy slide to frame fit. (3)"
But... that's not what Bruce Gray of GrayGuns said??
I saw some GrayGuns videos before he visited Sig and now recanted.
Today I heard that the FBI recanted their finding.
Whatever, we’ll understand someday.
Always appreciate your contribution here, Gnarls.
This was a great thread really.
Kind Regards!
BrianD
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Bruce Gray's final report stated that 4 specific individual deficiencies including incorrect parts, needed to be simultaneously present in order for a spontaneous discharge to occur.
(4 obvious deficiencies that, had they been present, would have been easily discernable in forensic examinations of pistols that allegedly failed, but were, in fact, not present.)
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BrianD,
I saw some GrayGuns videos before he visited Sig and now recanted.
Today I heard that the FBI recanted their finding.
Whatever, we’ll understand someday.
Always appreciate your contribution here, Gnarls.
This was a great thread really.
Kind Regards!
BrianD
Yes, this has been a very fascinating thread on the topic.
Your contributions have made the thread more interesting and remarkable to read.
I too am very much looking forward to the day that the facts and truth can be released.
I appreciate the kind words.
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I visited a local gunshop today to pick up a rifle that they repaired for me and darn, I plumb forgot to ask any of the folks ( I know many of them pretty well ) what the reaction of customers has been about the 320 controversy.
Reckon I just have an excuse to go back tomorrow!
Reckon I just have an excuse to go back tomorrow!
Yes.
Bruce spoke with candor and with detailed clarity on his extensive experience and expertise.
He did not appear to be speaking only to defend Sig Sauer or promote himself in any way.
I believe his assessment of what can cause the spontaneous discharges was completely accurate and based upon his extreme level of knowledge of the P320. Of course, anyone can argue that he has a "financial" motive to protect his reputation and business.
I also was about to visit my local gun shop this morning. I too am very interested in their comments on the topic. I'm going to visit them Monday, and I'll post what they say.
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