CCW Reciprocity in Washington DC!!! I hope so!!!

You can have zero murders if you station military on every street corner but then what do you have?? Not for me.
It is only till the D.C. police can reorganize and get a handle on the crime. The street gangs have got to go... and that is what is happening..

In time the gangs will be forced to leave. But until they leave murders, rapes, robberies, etc.. will continue.
 
...it is deeply unfair to the residents of D.C. that they are forced to be governed by a Congress they have no voting representation in and full of people whom are not accountable in the slightest to them...
No. It's not unfair at all. DC was set up the way it is for a very specific and important reason, which DeafSmith explained quite well in post #34.
 
The Bill of Rights limits the powers of government. It shouldn't be subject to interpretation by States or Federal Districts.

Visitors shouldn't need a reason, but here's this years crime stats.

I wouldn't call that "reasonably and sensibly secured"...

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Here's another thing to think about. Look at the number of Motor Vehicle Thefts (3021) and Theft From Auto (3911) in the data above. If you leave a gun in your car it can get stolen and disappear into the criminal underworld. If you keep it on your person that is much less likely.
 
Well I live in Texas.. and we have reciprocity with D.C. I'd love to go there!
No State has reciprocity with DC? PLEASE provide me this information
DC only recognizes its concealed carry permits.

You also have an over simplistic unreasonable theory on the causes of crime.

If it was so simple as just sending in manpower and the problem disappears don't you think that would have been done years ago?

Now, in authoritarian countries that does work a little better. Take a peak at Russia, Iran, China, etc... and you will see lower numbers. But even there not eliminated. And I don't believe I want to live that way.

Causes of crime are rooted in many aspects.
 
My last time in DC, about 15 years ago, I was at a Mickie D's drive up window, 7:00am too, I actually had some POS and his hoe try to carjack me. That is, until he saw the pistol I let him see. They apologized profusely as they scurried off and I got my Egg McMuffins to go. No harm, no foul, but I wouldn't ever venture into DC without a discreetly hidden pistol on me. Legal or not, that's just my IMHO.
A good friend, an off-duty FPS officer had a similar experience with the same results; another "no harm, no foul"!!
 
No they have not.

It was a political talking point put out but no proof. I know, hard to believe.

I just heard gas is under $2 a gallon so must be true. Right?
Well some of the DC policemen themselves have said so.

MPD sergeant Carlos Bundy, who has served in the department for 28 years and was in the MPD's homicide unit from 2010 to 2018, alleged police management has been "mis-categorizing deaths as something other than a homicide in order to keep the District's homicide numbers down." Bundy said the MPD "purposely misled the public about the homicide rates in the District of Columbia" by "misclassifying unnatural deaths (for example, by labeling them as accidents)." He also claimed his supervisors retaliated against him after he raised concerns about the practice, denying him days off and lowering his evaluation scores, among other punishments.

Bundy's allegations are similar to accounts from other MPD officers who said department leaders misclassified theft and aggravated assault cases as lesser offenses in order to depress the district's crime rates. D.C. recently settled another whistleblower retaliation lawsuit brought by former MPD sergeant Charlotte Djossou, who accused MPD brass of attempting to "distort crime statistics" by "downgrading a number of felonies to misdemeanors, so that there will be 'fewer' felonies in the statistics," the Free Beacon reported last week.

 
To the above I would say anyone can allege anything. And anybody can file a lawsuit for anything. I notice the article doesn't say what the lawsuit alleges or is seeking, but that is part of it.

As I said in an earlier post I don't doubt that some crimes get downgraded and shouldn't be.

I also said I have seen things listed as suicide that later turn out to be murders.

But the cops don't determine the cause of death the coroner does. Now you may not agree with the coroner but without some proof it is a murder it won't be listed as one.

I will be interested to see the details, testimony and number of times this allegedly occured.

I may be wrong, and if so will admit it, but one disgruntled employee suing for some unknown reason and a vague article about it is far from proof.

EDIT: I cannot find an actual copy of the lawsuit as it was filed in 2021 and apparently is still ongoing.

What I did find was an article that had exerts from the lawsuit listing 4 incudents between 2018 and 2021.

One was ruled self defense.
Two had blunt force trauma and it says the coroner said they were homicides so not sure how they were reported as something different. But if so there would be some explanation needed.

The other was a case that wasn't reported as a murder that was a month later classified as one by the coroner and the suit talks of evidence lost and incompetence more so than not reported properly.

If that is all there is then I really don't see a smoking gun here or a justification for action in 2025.

If someone can post a link to this lawsuit I would be interested to read more and what his lawsuit was seeking in 2021.
 
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The District of Columbia (D.C.) is a federal district, not a state, created by the U.S. Constitution to serve as the permanent seat of the U.S. government. It is under the exclusive jurisdiction of the U.S. Congress, which prevents any single state from unduly influencing the national government. Although D.C. functions as a municipal corporation with its own government and budget, its residents lack voting representation in Congress and full self-governance compared to state residents.

And soon Trump will try to get Congress to revoke the cities charter and have it revert to it's original form. See the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 made it a 'city'... and that act can be revoked by Congress.
And how, precisely, is this fair to the people of D.C.?

They have no oversight of Congress; they're essentially lab animals in a zoo run by people sent by other folks from faraway communities across the country. Disinterested zookeepers, at that, since they're there for actual legislation, not the hard work of municipal governance.

They're at the whims of a President they literally can't vote for, who can apparently do whatever he wants to pursue **his** policies in their district, to include defunding the District's organizations and schools and police.

And with respect to Mr. Jefferson, time has proven that state affiliation really doesn't matter to politicians or people or how people vote. Most of our states are actually fairly evenly split and it's not like the **actual** campuses of government cannot be immunized from state law if needed; it's not like allowing DC representation will somehow keep Congress from meeting or render POTUS homeless or evict the federal bureaucracy from their warrens.

Once again, I contend that if the population of DC was not predominantly of the demographics assumed to be supportive of "liberals", many of the same people defending Jefferson's disenfranchisement would instead be screaming for equality and statehood. Partisan advantage is a powerful incentive.
 
And how, precisely, is this fair to the people of D.C.?

They have no oversight of Congress; they're essentially lab animals in a zoo run by people sent by other folks from faraway communities across the country. Disinterested zookeepers, at that, since they're there for actual legislation, not the hard work of municipal governance.

They're at the whims of a President they literally can't vote for, who can apparently do whatever he wants to pursue **his** policies in their district, to include defunding the District's organizations and schools and police.

And with respect to Mr. Jefferson, time has proven that state affiliation really doesn't matter to politicians or people or how people vote. Most of our states are actually fairly evenly split and it's not like the **actual** campuses of government cannot be immunized from state law if needed; it's not like allowing DC representation will somehow keep Congress from meeting or render POTUS homeless or evict the federal bureaucracy from their warrens.

Once again, I contend that if the population of DC was not predominantly of the demographics assumed to be supportive of "liberals", many of the same people defending Jefferson's disenfranchisement would instead be screaming for equality and statehood. Partisan advantage is a powerful incentive.
First off the law is the law... and is written that way.

As to 'fair'.. D.C. was supposed to be the seat of the government and not for people to move in and live there.. Maybe D.C. should be smaller and all the residential areas be part of other states. Then D.C. would be a kind of Federal park. No one lives in it.
 
No State has reciprocity with DC? PLEASE provide me this information
DC only recognizes its concealed carry permits.

You also have an over simplistic unreasonable theory on the causes of crime.

If it was so simple as just sending in manpower and the problem disappears don't you think that would have been done years ago?

Now, in authoritarian countries that does work a little better. Take a peak at Russia, Iran, China, etc... and you will see lower numbers. But even there not eliminated. And I don't believe I want to live that way.

Causes of crime are rooted in many aspects.
I meant if we (in Texas) HAD reciprocity..

As for manpower.. well murders are down to zero now in D.C. been that way for well over a week.
 
As for manpower.. well murders are down to zero now in D.C. been that way for well over a week.
Not any more.
Washington, DC News

Deadly shooting marks DC's first homicide in 12 days; 1 killed

by: Jenny Gable

Posted: Aug 26, 2025 / 08:12 AM EDT

Updated: Aug 26, 2025 / 01:05 PM EDT
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"WASHINGTON (DC News Now) — A man died in the hospital early Tuesday morning after he was shot in Southeast D.C., marking D.C.'s first deadly shooting in nearly two weeks.

Just minutes before 12:30 a.m. on Aug. 26, officers responded to the 300 block of Anacostia Road for a shooting. There, police found a man suffering from a gunshot wound, according to the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD)." https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/loca...marks-dcs-first-homicide-in-12-days-1-killed/
 
Guess a "Like" isn't appropriate for the above post so I removed it.

Sadly someone lost a life.

But you have to understand crime is not something plotted or planned out. It just happens.

It takes dedicated programs to reduce it. Not a show of overwhelming force.

It is like a flood. You can block the water from one place and it will just flow to another. It takes a plan to make sure it ends up where you want it. Not more sandbags thrown about without thought and additional resources.
 
Not any more.
Washington, DC News

Deadly shooting marks DC's first homicide in 12 days; 1 killed

by: Jenny Gable

Posted: Aug 26, 2025 / 08:12 AM EDT

Updated: Aug 26, 2025 / 01:05 PM EDT
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"WASHINGTON (DC News Now) — A man died in the hospital early Tuesday morning after he was shot in Southeast D.C., marking D.C.'s first deadly shooting in nearly two weeks.

Just minutes before 12:30 a.m. on Aug. 26, officers responded to the 300 block of Anacostia Road for a shooting. There, police found a man suffering from a gunshot wound, according to the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD)." https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/loca...marks-dcs-first-homicide-in-12-days-1-killed/
And... still over 11 days without one... hell of a lot better than what it was!
 
And... still over 11 days without one... hell of a lot better than what it was!
How about tomorrow?

The problem with taking credit for a lull in crime is that you own it as the lull ends. Like the 18-day murder lull in February. Not sure using the military and only getting the second-best string of days this year with no murder makes sense.
 
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How about tomorrow?

The problem with taking credit for a lull in crime is that you own it as the lull ends. Like the 18-day murder lull in February. Not sure using the military and only getting the second-best string of days this year with no murder makes sense.
Plus there's the whole "trampling of civil liberties" and "using federal law enforcement for low-level municipal policing tasks" and burning political capital…might play well to the base, but it's building towards a Kent State moment and there's zero ambiguity as to who will be accountable in the public's eyes when a Federal LEO or service member makes a mistake and shoots an American citizen for some "reason".

I've said it before and I'll say it again. All actions have consequences. Sometimes those are long-delayed, but ultimately, they ALWAYS manifest themselves. Sometimes on those who took the actions, sometimes on those fellow travelers, but they ALWAYS manifest themselves.

Personally, I'm a bit troubled by the precedent that a President or even the Federal government as a whole can mobilize specific law-enforcement and military forces to combat vaguely-described "crime"…what's to stop a future President from doing exactly that to "control crime" and simply defining the "crime" as a failure to turn in weapons?
 
The thing is, at the end of the day, crime just happens. Social, economic, and personal factors generate criminal activity. We can make crime a little less graphic by maintaining a "polite society", or hiding it behind statistics, or not mentioning it, or by making the tools of more graphic in public crime, less accessible, but it still happens. And people who are intent on causing mayhem and hurting others will find a way. Might be with a gun, might be with a vehicle, might be with a screwdriver, might be with a fist. I'm not a cop, and I don't want to be. The cops on here will likely all agree that crime cannot be completely eradicated, nor can the social and economic problems that have caused DC's or any other places problems be remedied conveniently, or simply.

Thing is, the flipside of freedom is that things like crime are more likely. We built a country on the theory that it's better to adjust for the evils of men then to live under the whims of men and hope that they're not evil. To maintain a civil society, we accept some limitations on our freedoms and sponsor reasonable organizations, guided by laws we establish as society, to enforce those laws and maintain a social order that works for most of us. That solution is not and cannot be universal, nor does it work for every place in every person. That's why we have freedom and discretion on both the personal and organizational levels and we understand that perfect is the enemy of good enough. I'm not claiming that DC is good enough, or even a particularly nice place. There's certainly a lot of problems. But the same can be said of any other place in America, rule or urban, and the answers to those problems should be left with the people who know what those problems are and have concrete realistic ideas as to how to fix them. Sending the military and specialized federal law-enforcement agencies to perform security theater is at a minimum a tremendous waste of resources that could be far more effectively used to address the actual problems that those organizations were intended to mitigate.
 
How about tomorrow?

The problem with taking credit for a lull in crime is that you own it as the lull ends. Like the 18-day murder lull in February. Not sure using the military and only getting the second-best string of days this year with no murder makes sense.
Just like the gangsters in the 1930s.. it will take time to eliminate them. Force them to leave and those that don't leave get locked up. Crime will not cease in 'X' number of days... but it will go down and down over time. And during that time the D.C. police will reorganize and get stronger.. THEN they can take over.
 
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