New Colt Python

And I forgot to mention everyone is complaining about the heavy and lousy single action pull on the "new" Python. The "original" Python had an out of this world single action pull. The last 3 "original Pythons I owned had single action pulls of 3 lbs or less.
Yes but lets be honest, a great trigger pull in both SA and DA mode, BUT, after a short time they would go out of time and require gunsmith tuning to get them back in order.. Back in the day, gents who used their guns for a living or just shot them a lot knew the truth which was well known. Colts had the BEST factory triggers but they didn't last too long.
S&W's were much better, just a bit of a smith tuning and the trigger could equal a Colt and last much longer.
Then there was Ruger, built like a tank but factory triggers were really crude by comparison. A good smith could really improve them, but they still couldn't equal a Colt or S&W for competition shooting. The Security Six was a great LEO but for the very high round count shooter, the GP100 replaced it with a gun that can last virtually forever, no matter how much you shoot it. I've got my personal range GP SA to break at 2 5/16 lbs, DA at a little over 10, BUT its a Federal primer gun only and not one I'd ever use for personal protection. :p
 
I don't care what anyone says, that finish looks awesome. A Python is a Python no matter what suit it wears. Now I kinda want my 4" to look like that, but it's stainless so maybe not.
If you really dig it, watch Gun Broker for a used and abused one on the cheap, then do the same. ;)
 
My Python was given to me by a dear friend, now passed. He had been given the pistol by the original owner's brother. The original owner had bought it sometimes in the 1970s, I believe. It was originally a nickel-plated 6" model. The owner had some mental issues and at one point, got into a confrontation with some Sheriff's Deputies. At some point in the confrontation, guns were drawn and Dan, the original owner, had a pistol shot out of his hand. One of the deputies told my friend that after being shot, Dan told the deputy, "Goddamn, good shot!". 😄 Dan then spent some time in the nervous hospital and while away, his brother hid his guns. The Python sat in a cardboard box on a shelf in an old abandoned barn for maybe 20 years. When my friend, Joe, was given it by Dans brother, it looked like this:

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Joe brought it over to show it to me and I suggested that it might could be "saved" by having it refinished. I suggested that since it was in pretty bad shape, he could have it parkerized for a different look. He and I took it to Randy Kline, aka Sledgehammer, in Jacksonville, Texas. Randy is a master gunsmith and has built several FAL rifles for me. At his shop, I lobbied to also have the barrel shortened to 5" for a truly unique look, but that idea was shot down. Probably for the best, too. Randy said that the most expensive part of the refinish was having to send the pistol away to have the nickel coating electro-chemically removed in Houston. Joe put the Pachymar grips on after getting it back.

I've heard of several other parkerized Pythons since acquiring this one. I imagine they were finished like that for similar reasons. It may well offend Colt purists, but I like the way it looks now, and it's surely much improved over the way it looked when Joe first got it.

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I have a 4" S&W 686, bought new around 1987 or '88 that was tuned by a neighbor who was a gunsmith. His specialty was tuning S&W revolvers (and bedding rifle stocks) and he was fantastic at it. Gene Salach replaced the factory springs, stoneded, polished and shimmed the parts and the result is just an incredible trigger job. Many people say that it's the best they've felt. I don't know about that, but it is very fine. Recently, I had both it and the Python out of the safe and I'll say that even now, that Colt's trigger isn't that far from the trigger of that Smith. In both single and double-action mode, it's not far behind, and after all it's been through, that's quite the testament to its quality. 😉

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Maybe a silly question but was complete disassembly require to do the job?
 
good point, do you think a trigger job on the new python can get to that pull of 3-4 lbs without compromising the gun???

People have reported you "can" get a lighter trigger pull by grinding on it but there is one big problem with doing this. It voids the warranty and it opens you up to big lawsuits if you drop the gun and it goes off and hurts someone. The new "California Trigger" is supposed to prevent the gun from going off if dropped when it is at "full cock".

In other words the factory trigger redesign made the trigger pull heavier and grinding it off cancels out the new "drop safety" factor.
 
Maybe a silly question but was complete disassembly require to do the job?
You know, I've asked myself that same question before and I don't know if that was required or not. I would think that it was, would the process of removing the nickel have required all parts be removed first? Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me will know. I don't remember anything being said about it, but I wasn't there when Joe picked it up at Randy's shop. If Randy Kline did reassemble the trigger parts, then he did a great job as it does have a very nice trigger in both SA and DA.
 
Again, would you detail your (extensive?) experience with the new Pythons to add credibility to your comments?
My answer is hands on testing of both the single and double action pulls. I might also suggest you go over to the Colt forum. Everyone is complaining about the single action pull (and they all cannot be liars for sure) although some do prefer its double action pull (certainly not me).

There is also an engineer on the Colt forum who gave a detailed run down of how the new trigger system works (or shall we say doesn't work as well as the old system). The new design was meant to be "safer" not better an this it does do. I might add the Engineer at the Colt Forum is a New Python cheerleader.
 
My answer is hands on testing of both the single and double action pulls. I might also suggest you go over to the Colt forum. Everyone is complaining about the single action pull (and they all cannot be liars for sure) although some do prefer its double action pull (certainly not me).

There is also an engineer on the Colt forum who gave a detailed run down of how the new trigger system works (or shall we say doesn't work as well as the old system). The new design was meant to be "safer" not better an this it does do. I might add the Engineer at the Colt Forum is a New Python cheerleader.
I just wondered about your qualifications to make such statements and wanted to get some idea as to how much you had actually fired your new Python(s), not just tested the trigger(s). I'm on the Colt forum regularly and am aware of the complaints about the single-action pull of new Pythons, but I doubt many have fired them enough to become accustomed to the trigger. I don't know about any cheerleaders.

I have found it takes a good bit of concentration before trigger squeeze, as I mentioned in an earlier post, but that should help me and others to improve our shooting skills. I seldom shoot double-action.
 
Yes but lets be honest, a great trigger pull in both SA and DA mode, BUT, after a short time they would go out of time and require gunsmith tuning to get them back in order.. Back in the day, gents who used their guns for a living or just shot them a lot knew the truth which was well known. Colts had the BEST factory triggers but they didn't last too long.
S&W's were much better, just a bit of a smith tuning and the trigger could equal a Colt and last much longer.
Then there was Ruger, built like a tank but factory triggers were really crude by comparison. A good smith could really improve them, but they still couldn't equal a Colt or S&W for competition shooting. The Security Six was a great LEO but for the very high round count shooter, the GP100 replaced it with a gun that can last virtually forever, no matter how much you shoot it. I've got my personal range GP SA to break at 2 5/16 lbs, DA at a little over 10, BUT its a Federal primer gun only and not one I'd ever use for personal protection. :p
Not 100% true. It depended on how the hand was fitted at the Colt Factory. I bought a Python that went out of time but only slightly and you had to know what you were doing to even detect it but it would have gotten worse over time so I ordered and fitted a new hand "on the long side" deliberately almost to the point where the gun would not cock. I never had a problem with the timing after that.
 
I just wondered about your qualifications to make such statements and wanted to get some idea as to how much you had actually fired your new Python(s), not just tested the trigger(s). I'm on the Colt forum regularly and am aware of the complaints about the single-action pull of new Pythons, but I doubt many have fired them enough to become accustomed to the trigger. I don't know about any cheerleaders.

I have found it takes a good bit of concentration before trigger squeeze, as I mentioned in an earlier post, but that should help me and others to improve our shooting skills. I seldom shoot double-action.
I am not a novice to double action shooting. I have been doing double action shooting since 1962. I can pick up a revolver or even an auto pistol and come pretty close to giving the trigger pull weight without even using a trigger gauge. But that is beside the point. What is to the point is that an experienced person certainly does not have to live fire a revolver to know if its trigger pull stinks and it may take thousands of rounds to even smooth out if it is rough and I can guarantee you the pull weight will not change much if at all no matter how much you try and break it in. Heavy trigger pulls do not magically go away simply because you wish they will. Pick up a turn of the century H&R revolver ( now there is a good example) and see if the very heavy trigger pull magically got better in the last 125 years.
 
I am not a novice to double action shooting. I have been doing double action shooting since 1962. I can pick up a revolver or even an auto pistol and come pretty close to giving the trigger pull weight without even using a trigger gauge. But that is beside the point. What is to the point is that an experienced person certainly does not have to live fire a revolver to know if its trigger pull stinks and it may take thousands of rounds to even smooth out if it is rough and I can guarantee you the pull weight will not change much if at all no matter how much you try and break it in. Heavy trigger pulls do not magically go away simply because you wish they will. Pick up a turn of the century H&R revolver ( now there is a good example) and see if the very heavy trigger pull magically got better in the last 125 years.
So you've had no actual experience firing a new Python, but you're indeed an expert. As I figured. I'll make no more comments regarding your posts.
 
So you've had no actual experience firing a new Python, but you're indeed an expert. As I figured. I'll make no more comments regarding your posts.
And I forgot to mention your statement "becoming accustomed to" (a bad trigger pull) is an excuse for its bad single action pull and does not ever make it better or anywhere equal to the excellent single action trigger pull of the Original Python. And you finally admitted that "yes" everyone "was" complaining on the Colt forum about the bad single action trigger pull of the New Python (even the New Python lovers) so why do you go on trying to ignore this and praise the New Python when there is nothing to praise in regards to its inferior single action pull. All this is not opinion, it's a mechanical reality that came about because of safety issues and now well known about by many people besides myself.

If you like the New Python buy one but let's not try and soft soap its reality so that people who are thinking about buying one will not be aware of what the gun is like compared to the Original Python or even other pistols.

The Smith 27 and 28 were always rugged and accurate and well made .357 pistols.

The Original Python was and always will be a classic and will continue to escalate in value to the point where the average man will no longer be able to ever afford one. In some ways its already reached that price point.

The Ruger GP100 is a rugged, reliable and affordable .357 for the average Joe who will be very satisfied with it. Its never been overhyped or made out to be something that it is not like the New Python has been.

The New Colt Python is an overpriced, and over hyped pistol that does nothing that the Smiths, or Rugers and especially the Original Python have done in the past and it remains on the bottom of my list as a desirable .357 to purchase because you are paying "for the name" and that is way too high a price to pay in my opinion considering what you are getting. If it sold for only $500 bucks I might consider buying one but just barely.
 
The New Colt Python is an overpriced, and over hyped pistol that does nothing that the Smiths, or Rugers and especially the Original Python have done in the past and it remains on the bottom of my list as a desirable .357 to purchase because you are paying "for the name" and that is way too high a price to pay in my opinion considering what you are getting. If it sold for only $500 bucks I might consider buying one but just barely.
They sure are purdy, even for the old ones that slotted barrel rib was a big part of their attraction. But I do shoot a lot (or at least used to, not so much now since I went into my 70s) :(

The New Colt Python is an overpriced, and over hyped pistol that does nothing that the Smiths, or Rugers and especially the Original Python have done in the past and it remains on the bottom of my list as a desirable .357 to purchase because you are paying "for the name" and that is way too high a price to pay in my opinion considering what you are getting. If it sold for only $500 bucks I might consider buying one but just barely.
There's a lot to what you say but in todays world $1500 really isn't a lot of money for a tool that should last a lifetime. Heck it isn't even a down payment on a cheap new car. For many of us here, owning many more than one gun is the norm. I don't golf but how many clubs does the average golfer have in his bag, and at what costs?
I've been an avid handgunner - reloader since I got out of the Army in 1970. My dad was a WW 2 Veteran and he got me into shooting back in my very early pre-teens. Addicted you might say. LOL.
I've got a bunch of handguns from the big 4 and enjoy working on all of them but have found the tank like build and designs of Ruger and S&W revolvers to be my fav's. I've got SA triggers on both in the 2 1/2 lb range, with slightly better-lower DA triggers on S&W's. Goes without sayin a tuned 1911 Colt has the best semi-auto trigger in the world. LOL
IMHO the S&W extra large frame 460 & 500s to be the very finest of their origins.
In the big picture I believe the Ruger GP 100 to be the finest 357 framed revolver in the world.
YMMV ;)
 
good point, do you think a trigger job on the new python can get to that pull of 3-4 lbs without compromising the gun???
Yes, absolutely. Out of the box, my new Python's SA pull was 5.5 lbs. After about 15 minutes of careful stoning with medium, fine, and extra fine stones, using Dykem blue to show me where and how much metal I was removing, mine now has a 2.5 lb SA pull. Out of the box, mine had an 8.5lb DA pull, which is dang near perfect. I polished the trigger sear ledge where it contacts the hammer DA strut lightly, and polished the side of the transfer bar and the contact points of the rebound lever. This further reduced the DA pull on mine down to 7.5 lbs. If you have done trigger jobs before, it is SUPER easy; you just remove the little "hook" Colt machined into the SA notch on the hammer that was put there to pass the stupid drop safety test the commie states require to sell guns there.

Opinions vary, but to me and most who own the new Python, the consensus is that the DA pull is better on the new Python than the legacy Python because it is about the same pull weight, but lacks the stacking at the end of the pull found in the legacy Python. However, some shooters like to stage their DA trigger pulls, so it's a matter of what you like. But, the DA pull out of the box is much lighter than S&W double action out of the box... although changing the pull weight is much easier to correct on a S&W, with the availability of aftermarket springs.

The legacy Python is a beautifully made revolver, but is overly complex internally and gets out of time if you do a lot of rapid DA shooting because the hand is length-dependent and eventually gets peened on the end after repeatedly slamming into the ratchets, unlike a S&W hand which is width-dependent for timing. I've been told that installing an overtravel screw onto the trigger solves this. The new style Python still has a length-dependent dual-nose hand just like the original to achieve the so-called "bank vault lockup." The other issue is the more complex cylinder stop bolt arrangement on the legacy Python and how it interacts with the rebound bar, and the complex hammer stop safety linkage assy.

The lockwork on the new Python is much more simplified with fewer parts that are less dependent on the interaction of other parts, easier to work on, and the parts are made of better, stronger materials. For example, on the stainless version, the hammer and trigger on the new Python is made of machined from bar stock, 420HC through-hardened stainless. It's the same material often used for knife blades. The frame, barrel, cylinder, and yoke are made of 17-4 PH, so the new Python is WAY stronger and more corrosion-resistant than the old Python. I'm assuming the blued version is made of 4140 or similar chrome moly steel in order to take the bluing. The new Python uses a simpler S&W style cylinder stop (or in Colt language, "bolt"), which is much less likely to get out of time than the legacy Python's "seesaw" lever-style bolt that is actuated by the rebound lever. The old style had a hammer block safety, the new style has a rebound bar. There are MIM parts in the new Python - the rebound bar, hammer stirrup, transfer bar, and cylinder latch are MIM. The hammer and trigger are again machined from bar stock.

The new Python has a recessed crown unlike the old Python. The front sight on the new is a quick change style with a simple set screw, vs the pinned front sight on the old Python. The barrel on the new Python is 1-piece, same as the old Python. The old Python had a slightly longer, knurled hammer spur, the new has a simpler serrated spur. Old Python had a serrated backstrap, and it's smooth on the new. The old one had a cylinder stop lug on the lower corner of the cylinder window, the new doesn't have it and doesn't require it. The new trigger has a more open curve to it vs the old. The new Pytnon has a thicker top strap than the old. The new Python's finish isn't quite as polished as the old, but it is still way more polished than any other competing revolver except for a Manurhin MR73. It is quite nice, in fact. The new blued Pythons are almost but not quite at the same level as the legacy "royal blue," but the newer blue formulas produce a darker, blacker hue than the old finish with more bluish hue.

The rear sight sucks swamp water. But an outstanding Wilson Combat rear sight is only $114, and is easy to install. You simply drive out the existing roll pin and unscrew the elevation screw on the factory sight, position the new sight in place with the elevation spring captured underneath it and start the elevation screw just enough to contain the spring. Then drive the roll pin back in to hold it in place and turn the elevation screw down where you need it. The Wilson sight is much more robust and has click-adjust elevation and windage.

All considered, as a pure shooter, I think the new Python is a much better revolver. It's stronger, less problematic, out of superior materials, and on average, shooters report at least equal if not superior accuracy levels as the old Python. The new Python looks almost identical to the old, having essentially the same overall design. Bottom line, if you want a shooter, the new Python is better in almost every way. If you're a collector, the old Python is your huckleberry.
 
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I did a walk-by the gun case when I bought my hunting license yesterday. None of the much advertised new Smiths on display, all the new Colts. This store has never had a history of Colts on display, they even had a Delta Elite, first one I've ever seen for sale there.
The gun that attracted some of my interest was the "Viper". 3", 6-shot stainless .357, fixed sights. Almost like they were marketing a S&W Model 13 clone, but in stainless. It seemed a lot smaller than the Pythons.
 
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