Model 325 Thunder Ranch Revolver thread

I got my 325 Thunder Ranch on March 23rd. since I'm in law enforcement, I convicned the the Chief to let me buy this and carry this gun on duty. I went to the range to qualify with my new gun and received 7 failure to fires in 18 rounds. I was using smith and wesson factory moon clips with 230 grain CCI Blazer Aluminum practice ammo.

I called Smith and Wesson about the problem and I was told that the failure to fires were caused by the ammo the department was using. I told the rep. that we have been using this ammo for at least 7 years and that it fires fine in the rest of the our duty guns, whice are Glocks and Smith and Wesson 442's and 360's for backup guns. I also told the rep. that our department has a couple 625's and that I own own a 360 that all shoot the blazer ammo just fine.

I suggested to the rep. that maybe there was a problem with the length of the firing pin on this revovler. The rep promptly told me that all the firng pins were the same length and that this was not the problem. the rep. told me to send the gun back so they could take a look at it but he doubted there was much they could do about the problem. The rep. said that when firing cheap ammo that I should expect this.

Now, since our department fires this same round in multiple guns without a problem, I don't put much stock into what the factory rep. said. First, why would the rounds not fire in the 325 and fire just fine in our 625's? Second, if I am paying this much for a performance center gun for duty carry, it better darn well fire whatever I put in the cylinder.

This is the first time I have been so dissapointed with Smith and Wesson. It is hard for me to make a decision to carry this gun over my Glock 21 that has never had any problems. The chief has not stopped giving me nothing but grief about wanting to carry a Smith and Wesson over a Glock.

I sent the gun back to Smith and Wesson to have them look at and determine if they think something is wrong with the gun.

WHAT A DISSAPPOINTMENT!
 
I am embarrassed to report that my FTF problem appears to have been due to the mainspring screw not being tightened all the way. First trip out to the range after tightening the screw, and I had absolutely no problems with approximately 75 rounds.
 
Smith should have put more thought, more effort and more quality control into their ultimate fighting gun.

I would like to see an N frame steel,no lock, with a shortened cylinder window too reduce all of that bullet jump in the long cylinder. I know some one years ago lengthened the barrel into the frame and shortened the cylinder but I understand the barrel around the throat area needs as much frame support as possible due to the pressure.

If I had it to do over and I may do this and get rid of my TR I would get a 25-2 replace the cylinder if the throats are over size, shorten the barrel, round butt it, tune the action, install a Weigand front ramp. This would be the ideal 45 ar or acp.

Len
 
I would call them again, it is a simple fix. I had mine back in a week or so when it happened to mine.
 
Oh, I've called a couple of times, mainly to make sure it wasn't shipped and lost in transit. The only information I could get was that (a) it's still there, (b) they are behind schedule, and (c) it could be waiting on parts.
 
Sounds strange to me, I sent my 396 with the cracked frame on the 17th and got it back today.
 
A little off topic here, but I was just curious, I own a 625, that I normally shoot .45 ACP out of, can I also shoot .45 LC out of this as well or would I need to have the cylinder modified first?
 
No you can't. The 45 acp head spaces on the case mouth and a 45LC will not fit in the cylinder.
 
I called S&W again today and found out they are refinishing my 325. It had a couple of spots of bare metal showing on the front of the cylinder hinge pin which I figured could be easily touched up - I'd have probably tried Aluminum Black. I can't help but be a little worried now about what a refinish entails, the guy I talked to said all the markings would have to be re-lasered. But then I thought, they did the original finish, so they ought to be able to do just as good a job the second time. I wonder how you strip that black coating off? It's supposed to be finished by Monday, which is good news.
 
A few years ago I was at the Glock facility in Smyrna while visiting a brother-in-law who lives a few miles away. They told me that the aluminum cased Blazer is cheapo stuff and they use it to test fire their guns, since "if a gun shoots Blazer, it will fire ANYTHING." Being Berdan primed and aluminum cased, I guess it does have some unusual "quirks."

That said, I have never tried any of that stuff in my older 625s with the hammer mounted firing pins. But my -4s all fire regular CCI primers with or without moonclips. S&W seems to be having ignition and reliability problems with their later production .45 ACP revolvers. I have not and will not own one of these so I don't know if it's because owners try to lighten the springs or the strain screws loosen. Maybe the frame mounted firing pins have something to do with it. The more experienced revolversmiths will tell you that there are all kinds of frame mounted firing pins floating around out there, many of them different lengths and made of different material. This serves to further muddy the waters.

I took a long look at this revolver and liked the concept but came up with numerous reasons to NOT buy one. In my opinion it is poor execution of a potentially good product. I see too many shortcuts with this revolver to make it a viable choice, and considering that its intended purpose is as a defense gun, the overall package is not acceptable to me.

Oh, and it's funny how the pre-production sample tested in the March/April '08 American Handgunner functioned perfectly with or without moonclips for over 5000 rounds. Either that was a nice piece of fiction or S&W cheapened the production model. I'm inclined to go with the latter.

Dave Sinko
 
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...Anyway I emailed Smith & Wesson the question with attached picture, and the response was that this is normal and there is nothing that needs to be done.

I agree with S&W! I have had alot of S&W revolvers over the years; I currently have three, one being an S&W Model 325 Thunder Ranch. On all of the S&W revolvers that I have and do have, and on my S&W Model 325 Thunder Ranch, I too have experienced this "scuffing."

It is normal and it is just the parts fitting together!
 
I took a long look at this revolver and liked the concept but came up with numerous reasons to NOT buy one. In my opinion it is poor execution of a potentially good product. I see too many shortcuts with this revolver to make it a viable choice, and considering that its intended purpose is as a defense gun, the overall package is not acceptable to me.

Dave Sinko

Like what shortcuts? Why is it a poor execution fo a potentially good product?
 
Does anyone know if S&W had some kind of problem(s) producing the 325 Thunder Ranch? It seemed to me like it was an awfully long time between the time the gun was announced and the time the guns were actually available. They had been making the 325PD for some time before they made the 325 Thunder Ranch, but the two guns are quite different. I'm wondering if there were some production problems with them.
 
Got mine back today after about 3 weeks. Had to send it in as the barrel was loose in the shroud after the first 12 rounds (New in Bag). SO... I'll shoot it on Wed and see if it works better now :)

Also put a new Hi-Viz Red sight on the front. Love that quick-change front sight :)

James
 
Shot it today, other than the sights being off, it works like it should now :)

Fixed to my satisfaction.

James
 
325 TR...a little dissapointed!

I just picked up my new 325 TR yesterday, and haven't fired it yet.

In the gun shop I noticed that it did not have the Thunder Ranch logo on the right side of the frame, nor does it have any reference to Thunder Ranch on the gun. I assumed that's the way it is now, and wasn't too bothered by that, but when talking to the S&W Rep about the Light Rail not fitting properly (the main reason for the call) I mentioned the missing logo. He said it should be there, and I would have to return the gun for repair. Huh!!! How in the world would QC miss that?

I went way out on the limb...financially, to buy this gun, and without firing a round it has to go back.
 
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