Saving up to buy either a 4 inch Colt Python or a 5 inch S&W Model 27. Neither needs to be pristine...I'm playing the back nine of my life, and no longer am in awe of the perfectly presentable. A little holster wear is fine. Just want a quality .357 for a companion in the woods and occasional winter concealed carry. Side by side where I hail from, the Colt is commanding a steeper price, about $200-$300 more than the Model 27. Opinions? Thanks.
S&W Model 27 or Colt Python?
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My .02 worth is if you want something that will increase in value more, I would go the Python. If you want a more durable gun I would go the M27. I worked in a few gunshops for several years and we had many Pythons come in that had timing issues after being shot a lot. Hardly ever saw an N frame 357 that had any problems unless they were owner caused, such as do it yourself action job, super hot loads, etc.
I have owned both and while the Python is a magnificent piece, for all around use I would go with the Smith. Just my opinion and I am sure others will disagree.
I have owned both and while the Python is a magnificent piece, for all around use I would go with the Smith. Just my opinion and I am sure others will disagree.
akjaeger
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A 6" Python was my first centerfire handgun.
It cost a 16 year old $395 or a month's wages in 1980.
I didn't even have enough cash left for a box of shells, luckily the dealer threw some in.
I shot it a lot in those days, probably why I can't hear now.
It's an excellent gun, super accurate if a bit heavy to carry.
That said the Python is mostly a safe queen now and I always seem to take my N frames out shooting.
It cost a 16 year old $395 or a month's wages in 1980.
I didn't even have enough cash left for a box of shells, luckily the dealer threw some in.
I shot it a lot in those days, probably why I can't hear now.
It's an excellent gun, super accurate if a bit heavy to carry.
That said the Python is mostly a safe queen now and I always seem to take my N frames out shooting.
Black Knight
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My first gun was a 6" Python my Dad got me for $385 back in 1979. I still have it along with another 4" Python and several other handguns, mostly S&W's. I would say go for the Python but remember the trigger is different than a S&W. I don't have a 27 but do have a 28 as well as the Pythons and enjoy all of them. If you can possibly it do get both you won't regret it.
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just a little curious as to why the longer barrel on the model 27?
I would go with the model 27 or even a 28 the reason being a shooter grade python
to me is worth less than the model 27 not more
I always loved the looks of a Python, but never liked the way they felt or shot, especially the double action trigger. I had friends that had them, so got to shoot them some. They are definitely a thing of beauty. Given a chance, I would buy one just to have it, but I will stay with the Smiths for most shooting. The usual advice around here is "get both". Good idea!
panamajack310
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In my opinion if you are looking at a python save the money and get a 686 they are relitivly the same size. The 27 is a-lot larger in frame size than the python.
bmcgilvray
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I have a 6-inch Model 27 and a 6-inch Python. I like the Model 27 the best.
The Model 27 is the more handsome revolver in my view. It is better balanced. The target stocks work well with the N-Frame .357 Magnum gun. I purchased this Model 27-2 brand new in 1981. It is decently finished with perhaps a bit less than a stellar factory polish job. It's action is first rate and it possesses a fantastic single action trigger. The double action trigger is quite acceptable but I rarely ever shoot it that way. It is one of the most accurate revolvers I have and fully equal to the Python. It likes both 158 grain cast lead bullets and 5.0 grains of Unique and 158 grain jacketed bullets and 15.0 grains of 2400. It is pleasant to shoot with magnum ammunition over an extended session. The Model 27 is a sturdy revolver and is the best .357 magnum in my view.
My Python dates from 1978 but I've only owned it a few years. The Python is over-styled in my view. I don't care for the look or the balance of the full lugged barrel and could do without the vent rib. The deep blue is very nice but I feel Pythons are almost over polished and almost have a rounded "melted" appearance that doesn't appeal to me. Python stocks frequently feature mediocre grain patterns and their finish isn't as durable as could be. The stocks are more prone to scratches, scuffs, and wear than are the Smith & Wesson stocks. The Python stocks don't fit my hands as well. I feel cramped when gripping them and extended shooting sessions aren't as pleasant. The Python also has an outstanding single action trigger and a very smooth action. The double action doesn't appeal to me but I'm more familiar with the feel of a good Smith & Wesson double action trigger and I don't shoot the Python double action anyway. Due to the design of the Colt lock work, the lock-up of the cylinder is completely tight with no movement. The Python can't be faulted for accuracy. It also really likes my two favorite .357 loads and groups them very well. I have a niggling notion that the Python is not as delicate as it's reputation suggests and with proper maintenance will go the distance.
The Model 27 is the more handsome revolver in my view. It is better balanced. The target stocks work well with the N-Frame .357 Magnum gun. I purchased this Model 27-2 brand new in 1981. It is decently finished with perhaps a bit less than a stellar factory polish job. It's action is first rate and it possesses a fantastic single action trigger. The double action trigger is quite acceptable but I rarely ever shoot it that way. It is one of the most accurate revolvers I have and fully equal to the Python. It likes both 158 grain cast lead bullets and 5.0 grains of Unique and 158 grain jacketed bullets and 15.0 grains of 2400. It is pleasant to shoot with magnum ammunition over an extended session. The Model 27 is a sturdy revolver and is the best .357 magnum in my view.
My Python dates from 1978 but I've only owned it a few years. The Python is over-styled in my view. I don't care for the look or the balance of the full lugged barrel and could do without the vent rib. The deep blue is very nice but I feel Pythons are almost over polished and almost have a rounded "melted" appearance that doesn't appeal to me. Python stocks frequently feature mediocre grain patterns and their finish isn't as durable as could be. The stocks are more prone to scratches, scuffs, and wear than are the Smith & Wesson stocks. The Python stocks don't fit my hands as well. I feel cramped when gripping them and extended shooting sessions aren't as pleasant. The Python also has an outstanding single action trigger and a very smooth action. The double action doesn't appeal to me but I'm more familiar with the feel of a good Smith & Wesson double action trigger and I don't shoot the Python double action anyway. Due to the design of the Colt lock work, the lock-up of the cylinder is completely tight with no movement. The Python can't be faulted for accuracy. It also really likes my two favorite .357 loads and groups them very well. I have a niggling notion that the Python is not as delicate as it's reputation suggests and with proper maintenance will go the distance.
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I don't think I would want to carry an N-Frame 27 at my age.... a little heavy for me. A seven shot 686 with 4" barrel is a very solid .357 and not so large and heavy as a 27. A model 66 is a shade smaller, but will do the job.
Pythons always have very high prices due to rarity and beauty, but they don't do anything a smith doesn't do. IMHO, the Colt lockworks are more complicated and finnicky than they need to be and I am a believer in keeping it simple if my life depends on something working right.
I have a Model 27 with a 5" barrel and it is a very nice shooting revolver. Personally I have always liked the look of a Smith over a Python. My tendency would be go for the Smith and if needed have a trigger job done. Or as somebody suggested by both.
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wraco
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I would go with the M27 for many of the reasons that bmcgilvray mentioned.
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+1. Love my 3.5 " 27 and would really love a 5"!. Have shot 3 Pythons and I'll take a S&W any day of the week. My 4" 586 looks like a Python and it's accuracy, trigger & durability are much better than the Colt's I've shot. Also think Colt got it wrong with the cylinder latch being 180 out, slowing down speed reloads.
IMO guns are made to shoot. If you're just going to let the Colt set in a safe and bring it out once a month to admire you're doing yourself and the weapon a disservice. If I owned a 63 Corvette split coupe (my dream car) you could bet my HAPPY butt I would be in it every Sunday going through the gears. Same with my collection. I shoot em all, take great care of them always and they're none for the worse.
Lifes too darn short to not have fun and shoot em!
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They make a 3.5 inch model 27 that is an awesome gun and you might want to consider it.
Loved the checkered top strap on the model 27
3.5 inchers are awesome and sexy...LOL
TSQUARED
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In the 1950's and 60's I enjoyed shooting a Colt revol;ver in the bullseye pistol centerfire stage. I believe that the Colts had a superior single action trigger pull (debatable and highly conjectural) but if you plan to do any significant amount of double action shooting then the S&W would be highly prefered since they have a much better DA trigger than the Colt models.
stevieboy
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Are you buying to shoot or collect? If it's a shooter, go buy the 27. As a collector's piece the Python probably is a better buy.
I own a 27-3 with a four inch barrel and it's one of my favorites. I love the balance of the gun and it is accurate as any gun I own. It also handles heavy magnum loads with aplomb. Obviously, it is no safe queen. I'm confident that if it ever needs service I can send it to Smith and have it repaired as good as new.
I've had the opportunity to fire a Python. I was a little disappointed with the way it handled, to be honest. In my opinion, the Python double action trigger is not as good as a Smith. It certainly is different, with this weird stacking (increase in resistance) at the end of the pull. I very much prefer the Smith trigger but, I suppose, it's all a matter of taste.
If you're buying to shoot it, keep in mind that the gun hasn't been made in several years, and that means parts and knowledgeable gunsmiths are a diminishing quantity.
Now, as a collector, I've noticed that Pythons command significantly higher prices than 27s. My guess is that they'll continue to do so and will appreciate at a faster pace than 27s over time.
So, it's a question of choice. Do you want a shooter or a safe queen?
I own a 27-3 with a four inch barrel and it's one of my favorites. I love the balance of the gun and it is accurate as any gun I own. It also handles heavy magnum loads with aplomb. Obviously, it is no safe queen. I'm confident that if it ever needs service I can send it to Smith and have it repaired as good as new.
I've had the opportunity to fire a Python. I was a little disappointed with the way it handled, to be honest. In my opinion, the Python double action trigger is not as good as a Smith. It certainly is different, with this weird stacking (increase in resistance) at the end of the pull. I very much prefer the Smith trigger but, I suppose, it's all a matter of taste.
If you're buying to shoot it, keep in mind that the gun hasn't been made in several years, and that means parts and knowledgeable gunsmiths are a diminishing quantity.
Now, as a collector, I've noticed that Pythons command significantly higher prices than 27s. My guess is that they'll continue to do so and will appreciate at a faster pace than 27s over time.
So, it's a question of choice. Do you want a shooter or a safe queen?
feralmerril
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I answered your same question on the other post on 1980 and newer. I think it comes down to do you want a humvee or a cadillac? Here are my two. (or rather, three)
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I like them both,and have some of each. The model 27 is easier to get worked on if you have a problem.
Wyatt Burp
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Since you're contemplating this it means you can afford one or the other. Get the Python. In a lot of cases they have already caught up with Colt single actions (price wise i mean). Real fast, too. I think after that when you're flush with cash again get a blue worn 27. That five inch might be a problem, though. Some will write about how I'm wrong 'cause Model 27's are getting pricy, too. But a holster worn version will eventually pop up. In the mid 90's I picked up a 4" Python in electroless nickel, not perfect, for $475. And a well used 5" Model 27-2 for $275. Look what these would cost now and I could never afford the Python. you might tell yourself the same thing in five years.
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